N1K2-Ja with four 250kg bombs?

[Stoney]

Somewhere there's a reference that lists each rounds destructive power in game, relative to a single M2 .50 cal round.  If I remember correctly, a P-47 with 3200 rounds of .50 cal can knock down a single hangar with simple MG fire only.  In my experience, it takes 4 or 5 long passes with convergence set to D650 to do it, as the hangar hardness is something like 2800 or so.  6 5" HVAR is roughly equivalent to 1000 lbs of bombs, since HTC models the weight of the rocket (~150lbs) instead of the HE value of the warhead (5" Naval HE round of 40-50 lbs of explosive).  I don't know the destructive value of the N1K2 20mm in game, but its probably somewhere in the area of at least 3 times or more of the .50.  So the 900 rounds the N1K2 carries is going to be roughly equivalent to 2000lbs + of destructive power in game.  Couple that with the bombs it carries, and you have roughly 2500-3500 lbs of destructive power on a single N1K2.  An F6F can carry 2000 of bombs and ~ 1000 of rockets, plus the .50 cal, so you're pretty close.  An F4U-1D gets two extra rockets, so its 300 lbs better than an F6F.  P-51D has roughly the same as the F6F.

My math gets pretty screwy here since I'm working off a lot of approximations, but unless I've grossly over or underestimated something, you can see that they're all pretty close.  Only when you get to the aircraft like the Jug that can carry 2500 lbs in bombs plus 10 rockets and guns can you get into a severe difference in the ordnance capability.  Obviously the F4U-1C with the massive load of 20mm and bombs/rockets would be even greater.

I'd have to crank up a spreadsheet with the exact numbers to do this properly, but hopefully you get my drift.

[Karnak]

Yes.  The issue I see is how long it takes the N1K2-J (or P-47) to apply the damage from its guns compared to the one pass and haul bellybutton that the bombs and rockets allow.  For the N1K2-J to take down a hangar it has to put itself at more risk than the other aircraft.  When it comes to tanks the 20mm cannons may as well not be there.

I do see your point, but I don't think it actually pans out that way in gameplay.  For taking down towns, yes (perhaps even superior), hangars, I don't think so and definitely weaker against GVs.

[Stoney]

Just looked up the relative value on the Fighter Comparison Page.  N1K2 20mm is 3.3 times as effective as .50 cal.

[sethipus]

It's pretty easy to kill all four ord bunkers on a medium airfield in a P-51D or a Hellcat in a single diving pass.  I doubt it would be very easy to do in a N1k.  And coming back for more passes increases the likelihood of being shot down by the ground fire.  So no, I don't agree that the N1k is roughly equivelant as-is to the American fighter-bombers.  It's not just about porking ords, but porking ords is a good example to use for comparison.  The time spent over smothering AA fire is an important factor, and as others have said, the N1K has to spend a lot more of it to dish out its damage.

[Xasthur]

*throw his mosquito away*

 

Don't do that, Mossies are awesome!

[Pkun]

hi Karnak.
It's answer, N1K2-Ja can't have 250kg bombs x4.

N1K2-Ja can only, 250kg bomb x2 or 60kg bomb x4.
because, N1K2-Ja's bomb rack of outside were for only 60kg bomb.
but, this improvement  have already been improbed to N1K2-J.
If you have chance to see N1K2-J on champlin fighter aircraft museum and smisonian museum, you can see this improvement.
This N1K have 4 bomb racks.

[Karnak]

hi Karnak.
It's answer, N1K2-Ja can't have 250kg bombs x4.

N1K2-Ja can only, 250kg bomb x2 or 60kg bomb x4.
because, N1K2-Ja's bomb rack of outside were for only 60kg bomb.
but, this improvement  have already been improbed to N1K2-J.
If you have chance to see N1K2-J on champlin fighter aircraft museum and smisonian museum, you can see this improvement.
This N1K have 4 bomb racks.

Thanks for that information Pkun.

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[Helm]

As allways somebody comes out against improvements in the Japanese plane set .....any request for new Planes or improvements in  Japanese planes is opposed at all times by somebody.  ...yet the same people press for some obscure sub-varient of a USA plane we allready have several versions of

Since nobody but karnak and I seem to care,  maybe we should just eliminate all the Japanese planes all together?  ....I mean really ...who needs 'em??? ...Thats what i see on this BBS ....over and over

....this continuous bias to USA planes never ends ...

anytime there is any post about any Japanese plane....some people seem to act as if it is their job to log in and tell us how we NEVER EVER need ANY New Japanese planes or improvements? 

.....the classic line is "It wont revolutionise the LW area" ....so therefore we don't need it

I say! hogwash


Helm ...out

[E25280]

As allways somebody comes out against improvements in the Japanese plane set .....any request for new Planes or improvements in  Japanese planes is opposed at all times by somebody.  ...yet the same people press for some obscure sub-varient of a USA plane we allready have several versions of

Since nobody but karnak and I seem to care,  maybe we should just eliminate all the Japanese planes all together?  ....I mean really ...who needs 'em??? ...Thats what i see on this BBS ....over and over

....this continuous bias to USA planes never ends ...

anytime there is any post about any Japanese plane....some people seem to act as if it is their job to log in and tell us how we NEVER EVER need ANY New Japanese planes or improvements? 

.....the classic line is "It wont revolutionise the LW area" ....so therefore we don't need it

I say! hogwash


Helm ...out

Funny . . . I didn't see any anti-japanese aircraft statements in this thread at all.

But your anti-american bias is loud and clear.

[Helm]

Funny . . . I didn't see any anti-japanese aircraft statements in this thread at all.

But your anti-american bias is loud and clear.

I have no anti American bias ....the numbers speak for themselves 30 USA to 8 Japanese planes .....that's pretty "loud and clear" to me....my oppion is based solely on these numbers


Helm ...out

[Karnak]

It is kind of an odd thing.  Based on the number of aircraft build, the Japanese should have a low number and the US a high number.  But based on the number of types built, both should have fairly high numbers.  Unless I am mistaken, the Japanese fielded the second highest number of combat aircraft types in WWII, trailing only the USA.  The reason is the same for both Japan and the USA, our Armies and Navies both had nearly completely different inventories of aircraft.

[Anaxogoras]

Ha!  I'm the sure all the 109 subvariants far outnumber the different types of all aircraft built by the USA in WWII.

[Karnak]

Ha!  I'm the sure all the 109 subvariants far outnumber the different types of all aircraft built by the USA in WWII.

I wasn't counting subvariants.  The Bf109, Spitfire, Fw190, Mosquito and Ju88 all count for one each when talking of individual types despite the great number of subvariants each had.