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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2008, 11:29:26 AM »
Awww... As someone freshly out of student status, this story hits home vividly despite the distance.

Apparently both planes "had just taken off and were still in terminal control" link.

I see that YMMB is a big airport (5x2 RWYs) and has a Class C CTR. I wonder if the controllers were busy with a lot of IFR traffic and had to let the VFR flights do their own separation. Where I'm flying (also a class C CTR), the controllers keep a sharp "eye" on student pilots doing their first circuits solo.

Blue Skies to that poor student pilot.



even if the controllers were busy with IFR traffic, they should've been paying a bit more attention to 2 students in the pattern.

 do they do NTSB style investigations down there?
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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2008, 05:21:08 PM »
They do CAP.
The horizontal on the Piper was almost destroyed. the entire left stab. and elevator were a mangled mess. It appears the aircraft crossed paths with the left wingtip of the Cessna impacting the Pipers tail.
I know how quickly things get big fast in a situation like this and with a pair of student pilots, particularly the solo one, they may well have been preoccupied inside their cockpits and not noticed the other aircraft until it was too late.
Trust me, that speck out in the distance may not appear to be moving at all when you first look at it. It may in fact be an aircraft on an intercept course. If you do not immediately recognise that could be the case and pay careful attention to it, the next time you look up it could be filling your windscreen.
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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2008, 05:44:42 PM »
Rule #1- Fly the plane

Back in the 50s, an F-86 was doing a radar intercept on a B-50 tanker.  The F-86 pilot actually rammed the tailed the tanker, causing both planes to crash, because he was looking at his radar screen.

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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2008, 07:05:01 PM »
eagl, the cfi stuff for military guys is the same as civilian.  Have to get the same training.  The stuff before it is pretty easy.  Mainly a sign off and blessing.

My brother-in-law added his cfi-cfii-mei after he retired from the marines.  He taught in t-34s in Corpus.  He never really has used it but has um.  He is currently flying 777s.  I am in the middle of my cfi courses.

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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2008, 09:23:00 PM »
They do CAP.
The horizontal on the Piper was almost destroyed. the entire left stab. and elevator were a mangled mess. It appears the aircraft crossed paths with the left wingtip of the Cessna impacting the Pipers tail.
I know how quickly things get big fast in a situation like this and with a pair of student pilots, particularly the solo one, they may well have been preoccupied inside their cockpits and not noticed the other aircraft until it was too late.
Trust me, that speck out in the distance may not appear to be moving at all when you first look at it. It may in fact be an aircraft on an intercept course. If you do not immediately recognise that could be the case and pay careful attention to it, the next time you look up it could be filling your windscreen.

i think you may be exactly right. the solo student, was probably inside trying to be perfect. the student/cfi were probably going over something, and also spending too much time inside.

 i know how fast things can get big. like i said, i've never let another within 1/2 or 3/4 of a mile of me. i have had to avoid a few, including twice in the patterns. once t the fllying w, once at south jersey regional. the second one was beyond stupid. i had made my call to depart runway 26, closed pattern. not 10 seconds later this guy(barley understandable english) calls on the 45 for 08. we immediatly told him 26 was the active. he repeated himself. on crosswind, i saw him on downwind for 08, so i called him telling him i was exiting the pattern to the north.

don'tcha know that stupid%^$&  turns on an intercept course for me??????

anyway, i avoided him easily.

hope no more bad comes of this. politicians like things like this to try to close airports.

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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2008, 09:24:22 PM »
eagl, the cfi stuff for military guys is the same as civilian.  Have to get the same training.  The stuff before it is pretty easy.  Mainly a sign off and blessing.

My brother-in-law added his cfi-cfii-mei after he retired from the marines.  He taught in t-34s in Corpus.  He never really has used it but has um.  He is currently flying 777s.  I am in the middle of my cfi courses.

 :salute

you're choosing a tough career.
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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2008, 09:26:41 PM »
hope no more bad comes of this. politicians like things like this to try to close airports.
Oh they are already trying. I'm sure there is no shortage of developers plying the council with the prospect of oodles of cash already.
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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2008, 09:29:56 PM »
Oh they are already trying. I'm sure there is no shortage of developers plying the council with the prospect of oodles of cash already.


if i had a web cam, you'd see the  :O  look on my face. well, not really.

they're building a 12 house development right under our pattern at VAY, it's about where i'm at 500ft turning upwind to crosswind. i'm sure those new residents aren'tgoing to complain at all,

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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2008, 12:26:05 PM »
not really a career, least not right now.  Industry blows goats at the moment.  Just getting it to put in my back pocket for insurance purposes.

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Re: Mid-air collision in Australia
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2008, 01:45:01 PM »
Same here, can't guarantee skydive flying as a career. So starting my Instructor rating in a couple of weeks (finally). You will always get some work as an Instructor. I hope I'm starting that is, it's not guaranteed that I will even be accepted for the course. The letter I got from the school pointed out that this will be one of the most difficult and challenging I will complete. It starts with a flight test and assessment and then a three week ground school. There are so many requirements. I think Eagl would feel at home :salute

But when you see incidents like those noted here. You can see why it's important.