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Offline RipChord929

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Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« on: August 27, 2008, 08:07:28 AM »
WOW
According to Gallup pole, Johnny Mac is ahead by two...
Also pulling ahead, or catching up fast in several key states...

I know that polling is not the be-all and end-all of a political race..
They just mark trends, and give a general feel of the political climate...

But I think this is more that a little unusual, considering the media
being deep in the tank for the Dem's... And the Dem love fest in Denver...

Any thoughts as to why???

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 08:17:50 AM »
maybe people are getting smart?   Maybe they are getting sick of the "all osama bin biden worship all the time" news channels and news papers?   Maybe they are about sick of seeing his mug on time magazine every other week?

Maybe the pandering parade of shrill socialist liberals at the convention just turned their stomach?

Maybe they actually listened to what the messiah is really saying? 

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 08:24:17 AM »
Was just browsing Fox News.  Missed them being "deep in the tank for the Dem's."  If there be a "Dem love fest in Denver" what should the Repub Twin Cities convention be called?

I said in the O'Club at the start of the election season neither Hillary nor Obama would become president.  I'm half-way home on that one.  Fully prepared to eat crow if facts prove me wrong.

A couple things on your question about polls:  my initial reaction is more voters are sold on McCain than Obama.  Excluding the die hard extremes who will vote for their party period, or against the other party period.

Then there's this, and I'll relate it to the crazy goings on at the O'Club.  A topic comes up.  Folks weigh in.  Call it the 1st wave.  Then there's the 2nd wave of assault.  Some "you said" flung back and forth.  By then, the "rooters" come in, the 3rd wave.  It's no longer about the topic at hand but against the other guy or for another guy.  And a good number of folks watching to see if something ridiculous and funny happens.

That's how I see the polls which the news businesses tout.  It starts out being about something -- Obama versus McCain -- then it changes to be about other stuff after the 2nd and 3rd wave of assaults.  And like the O'Club, the essays written and posted on Real Clear Politics for example figure into all that.  I read a good deal of the essays on RCP.  

The news/polls thing is the perfect business.  Has no horse in the race and wins big time no matter what happens.  The more dust thrown in the air, the better it is for them.  Fox does a great job of it.  They'll have a headline which has very little to do with the body of the essay.  Maybe they figured out that readers read their stuff the way folks read AH's BBS: scan the thread titles and flame away in the thread that gives them the best chance at winning the day.

I don't think this race will be close like the last 2.  The margin of victory will be larger both popularly and electorally.  Could well be wrong, but that's my guess.  Not a huge margin for either side, but greater than the last two elections.

Lastly, I think Lazs is right about folks figuring out who Obama is and is not.  I listened about an hour or so of the speeches at the Dem convention after work last night on the radio.  NPR does a good job.  I'll do the same for the Repubs.  When I vote, I'll be voting against my conscience no matter for whom I vote.  Also, and here's the part I'm not so good at pulling off, there's sound limits on what a President can and will achieve.  Checks and balances.  If Obama were not for homosexuals and the neo-Black Panther thing, I'd be much more interested in him.  The whole social world turned upside down which I'm dead set against.  If McCain were not for fatting up the already over fat corporate giants along with the looting of America manufacturing and industry, I'd be much more interested in him. 

The Middle East thing takes 2nd place in my mind to moral issues and industrial issues.  The manufacturing issue, really, is long gone already.  For a lousy billion or two or 100, those in charge of business made themselves deliriously rich and buggered joe six pack along the way.  I think that is worse than wrong. 

Then there's the oil companies whose only care is for each and everyone of you and me.   :huh  I'd love to pull the plug on the whole lot of them.
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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 08:35:31 AM »
pretty safe bet..  it can't be razor thin every election.

I think the evolution is more..  starts out as a popularity contest based on raw appeal and ends on the basis of what the guy will do for or against the country..  whos side gets the nasty stuff to stick and fakes the good stuff the best.

Like anti second amendment democrats all doing the obligatory hunting or shooting pose around october.

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 08:39:16 AM »
I dont like McCain, Can't stand Hillary, not a big fan of O'bama, but I do like Biden actually.  The Dems are about as smart as a decorative yard rock, they just sit there and act like their looks will get them elected.  The Hillary thingy has totally ruined this convention for them, and serves them right in my opinion.  I don't want someone elected just because their the new flavor on the ice cream truck, I want them to have good beliefs and ideas(have yet to hear a description on anything O'bama believes, and disagree with McCain on plenty of his ideas).  
So for many of us this election year is a no win situation. :(

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 08:40:52 AM »
I think the evolution is .... whos side gets the nasty stuff to stick and fakes the good stuff the best.
yup!

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 08:47:39 AM »
I don't want someone elected just because their the new flavor on the ice cream truck, I want them to have good beliefs and ideas (have yet to hear a description on anything O'bama believes, and disagree with McCain on plenty of his ideas).  

I must be getting better.  Find myself agreeing with Lazs and SR.  I looked at the Dem conventioneers online and couldn't keep watching.  Could listen on radio just fine.  But watching was intolerable.  Those ain't my people -- whatever that means.  Now, what would be unsettling is when I look at the Repubs online and have the same reaction.   Then there's just no room in the inn.  But I'm not expecting that.  Greed is not good.  I want to see the Repubs get back to their roots, but I guess I'm wrong on that one, thinking of Coolidge's "the business of America is business."

Check out "The Corporation" on You Tube.  I never knew this stuff.  Sky Rock and Lazs, check it out.  I've seen only the 1st 2 or 3 installments.  They're short and well done.  I don't know how it ends.  But would like to discuss some of those laws and background etc.

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 08:49:08 AM »
US elections are hilaryous
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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2008, 08:53:49 AM »
I must be getting better.  Find myself agreeing with Lazs and SR.  I looked at the Dem conventioneers online and couldn't keep watching.  Could listen on radio just fine.  But watching was intolerable.  Those ain't my people -- whatever that means.  Now, what would be unsettling is when I look at the Repubs online and have the same reaction.   Then there's just no room in the inn.  But I'm not expecting that.  Greed is not good.  I want to see the Repubs get back to their roots, but I guess I'm wrong on that one, thinking of Coolidge's "the business of America is business."

Check out "The Corporation" on You Tube.  I never knew this stuff.  Sky Rock and Lazs, check it out.  I've seen only the 1st 2 or 3 installments.  They're short and well done.  I don't know how it ends.  But would like to discuss some of those laws and background etc.

Hi Hap..

Great observations (am I first wave?).. find I agree... the slate sucks.

Regarding the Corporation..

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 09:01:28 AM »

Regarding the Corporation..

Chilling, ain't it?

Number 11, 12 or 13 is about how they try and cultivate little children into full fledged adult consumers.  Scary that they (advertising agencies) employ psychologists to help develop more effective commercials and also help children whine more effectively.  Scared the piss out of me ( have a 2 year old daughter...EEKKK).

I guess it's okay though if you own stock in one of them.

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 09:39:07 AM »
I must be getting better.  Find myself agreeing with Lazs and SR.  I looked at the Dem conventioneers online and couldn't keep watching.  Could listen on radio just fine.  But watching was intolerable.  Those ain't my people -- whatever that means.  Now, what would be unsettling is when I look at the Repubs online and have the same reaction.   Then there's just no room in the inn.  But I'm not expecting that.  Greed is not good.  I want to see the Repubs get back to their roots, but I guess I'm wrong on that one, thinking of Coolidge's "the business of America is business."

Check out "The Corporation" on You Tube.  I never knew this stuff.  Sky Rock and Lazs, check it out.  I've seen only the 1st 2 or 3 installments.  They're short and well done.  I don't know how it ends.  But would like to discuss some of those laws and background etc.
oddly I find myself in agreement with you.  alarming stuff that corporations.

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 09:55:54 AM »
For three generations we've been warned about the rise of the corporations...

There's been plenty of clues, lots of whistle-blowing.

.... remarkably, the corporations even tabled a coup, check out 'The Business Plot'. The most highly decorated Marine General in history spilled the beans. We came mighty close to a fascist state then... the transition is pretty much complete now.

But, as long as Daddy Daytrader and Suzie SoccerMom are kept happy with baby-wipes & no-more-tears trading tips, it's a lost cause...  we get to gripe all we want, as long as we stay employed and buy what they're selling.

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 11:27:43 AM »
Any thoughts as to why???

The American people are not as stupid as the Dems and the press think.
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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 12:26:12 PM »
But, as long as Daddy Daytrader and Suzie SoccerMom are kept happy with baby-wipes & no-more-tears trading tips, it's a lost cause...  we get to gripe all we want, as long as we stay employed and buy what they're selling.

Welcome to the New World Order.

Perfectly said.  We are so cheap and easy: snuffy wuffies and some day trading & we sell out big time.  I include myself in that too.  I'm not exempt.  Hoping to do better than I have done.

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Re: Repubs get bounce in polls, during Dem convention???
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 12:40:11 PM »
The American people are not as stupid as the Dems and the press think.

Not all of them are but the Dems and press are working hard to make them so.
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