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Offline Kaw1000

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Heath care and Hillary
« on: August 27, 2008, 09:00:24 AM »
Is it just me, or are you guys sick of hearing about healthcare reform?

Hillary brought it up last night...it's a bunch of Hooweee...she has been working on this for
16 years now, and what has she accomplished?? Nothing I do believe. What a wind bag.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 11:26:04 AM »
Look at the VA hospitals and you'll see what government healthcare reform will bring to the masses. 
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Offline Shamus

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 11:49:25 AM »
We already have government health care for the masses, medicare , it seems to work.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 12:30:02 PM »
We already have government health care for the masses, medicare , it seems to work.

It only covers a small portion of the population, paid for a large part of the population (who are not covered) and it will go broke in 2019. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9794068)
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Offline lazs2

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 02:22:39 PM »
medicare works about as well as social security works...  a bunch of people some years down the line are gonna get royally screwed.

I never could understand how these poor people who can afford a $100 a month for cable and $50 a month for cell phones can't afford maybe $75 a month for health care insurance.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 02:33:28 PM »
medicare works about as well as social security works...  a bunch of people some years down the line are gonna get royally screwed.

I never could understand how these poor people who can afford a $100 a month for cable and $50 a month for cell phones can't afford maybe $75 a month for health care insurance.

lazs

Try $5,000 a year. And it's not health care, it's just robbery. When you wind up sick, then you discover they don't cover whatever it is you needed for treatment, then they take your house.

Unless your an illegal. Then your covered.

Just another screwing.
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Offline john9001

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 02:44:16 PM »
medicare is not free, part A is, but that is for major problems, part B is for everything else and it costs me $98 a month and it has a high co-pay, if you want to supplement medicare it will cost you even more and you still have a co-pay. i pay about $135 a month for my "free" medicare.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 02:53:09 PM »
most of the stuff that you are paying for is stuff that you would have died from in the 50's and there would have been nothing they coulda done for you.

making sure weak people live a long time costs a lot of money.

How many weak people do you want to live a long time?

I would just as soon take my chances with what I can afford rather than having some commie tell me when I had to go to the doctor and what I can eat or do and what medical "programs" I would be forced to be on.

Alabama is now fining fat people who work for the state.. they are forced to go into programs and get treatment and if they are overweight...  lose it or be fined.

Just like seatbelt and helmet laws tho..   no one is getting a big fat rebate check from the insurance companies for all that is saved.   

The two biggest threats to life and liberty and individual freedom are the EPA and  the insurance companies... one private and one government entity..  both have their tentacles in every facet of your life and want more and more control over everything you do.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2008, 03:01:04 PM »
Is it just me, or are you guys sick of hearing about healthcare reform?

Yeah, I'm also tired of hearing about it. It's time to actually do something about it.


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Offline Shamus

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 03:41:03 PM »
Try $5,000 a year. And it's not health care, it's just robbery. When you wind up sick, then you discover they don't cover whatever it is you needed for treatment, then they take your house.

Unless your an illegal. Then your covered.

Just another screwing.

But its a private sector, open to competition screwing, so its a good thing.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 03:43:06 PM »
Try $5,000 a year. And it's not health care, it's just robbery. When you wind up sick, then you discover they don't cover whatever it is you needed for treatment, then they take your house.

Unless your an illegal. Then your covered.

Just another screwing.

I pay around $475 a month for my insurance under a small group plan. This is the only quality plan I could afford and it took a lot of fenagiling to get into it. An HMO, the care you get depends on the doctor. Mine had diagnosed me as having heartburn issues for 2 years. Had stress tests, EKG's and finaly an  esophageal scope done to see why I had chest pains from 'heartburn'. When the scope results came back clean I demanded that my GP send me to a heart doc. When I called that doc this past January he said meet me at the hospital NOW. Heart surgery the next day and a ten day hospital stay that would have cost me $385,000 if I hadn't had insurance. The Ins co. paid $68,000 because that's their negociated payout to the hospital.

Had I not been able to afford nearly $500/month for this insurance I'd have no home now, had I no home in the beginning I'd be absolutly ruined financialy. Had I not had insurance I likely would not have gotten treatment and wouldn't be here today

Time for this country to reform their health system where all Americans can afford to be protected no matter their income level, putting a price on whether a person lives or dies is shameful, disgraceful and not what America should be like.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 03:44:27 PM »
anytime a politician says they are going to "reform" something i get scared, reform does not mean better, it just means change.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 03:47:53 PM »
Is it just me, or are you guys sick of hearing about healthcare reform?

I am sick of people saying health care is a right.

It is not.

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Offline john9001

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 03:55:52 PM »
from the Constitution of the USA.

Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."


general welfare.

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Re: Heath care and Hillary
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 04:00:31 PM »
medicare is not free, part A is, but that is for major problems, part B is for everything else and it costs me $98 a month and it has a high co-pay, if you want to supplement medicare it will cost you even more and you still have a co-pay. i pay about $135 a month for my "free" medicare.

Simple solution, opt out and go get some of that $75.00 a month coverage that laz is talking about.

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