dred.. that is really admirable that you are a man who is not swayed by.. uh.. the way a politician votes and who he has as mentors and the things he has said in the past.
It is the greatest of thinkers like yourself who can ignore all that and go by what they say in their final scripted speeches.
lazs
dont know if I said it in this thread or another.
"What he says and what he does may be entirely two different things"
and " am am not going to base my decision on only a few issues. Particularly not the two that arent likely to change much anyway (guns and abortion)
But rather the whole package"
Your making like I am ready to run out and vote for him. Im not ready to run out and vote for anyone.
McCains voting record is less then stellar as well about issues that do matter.
A few examples
Voted against Lobbying and Donation Regulations. a bill that increases regulations on members of Congress regarding lobbyists and donations
whch included but are not exlusive to..
Requiring candidate committees, leadership PAC's, and political party committees to disclose bundled contributions by a lobbyist totaling over $15,000 within a six-month period.[Title II (Sec. 204)].
Prohibits any member of Congress from participating in the Civil Service Retirement System if convicted of bribery, fraud, perjury, corruption, conspiracy or other related offenses.[Title IV (Sec. 401 [a])].
Requires that Senators who submit earmark requests on a bill or committee report be identified as the sponsor of their requests on a publicly accessible congressional website at least 48 hours before the item comes to a vote [Tile V (Sec. 521)].
Vote to adopt an amendment that creates a special committee to investigate the awarding of contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq taking into consideration: bidding, methods of contracting, subcontracting, oversight procedures, allegations of wasteful practices, accountability and lessons learned in Afghanistan and Iraq
Voted against
Price-Gouging During Emergencies Amendment
Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act in order to adopt an amendment that makes it illegal to sell crude oil, gasoline, or petroleum distillates at a price that is excessive or takes unfair advantage during a declared state of emergency.
Voted against
Corporate Financing of Terrorism Amendment
Vote to adopt an amendment that makes U.S. businesses and their subsidiaries liable to prosecution for dealing with foreign businesses which have links to terrorism or whose parent country supports terrorism.
And one that really burns my butt
Voted NO
Denying Legal Status for Immigrants Convicted of Certain Crimes
Vote to pass an amendment that would prohibit undocumented immigrants convicted of aggravated felonies, domestic violence, stalking, violation of protection orders, crimes against children, or crimes relating to the illegal purchase or sale of firearms, from gaining legal status.
As I said in another post. Each side has plus's and minus's.
The second amendment is a plus for me. yes. but with all due respect. unlike you it is not everything. Particularly when its not likely to go anywhere even with him in office. I remember more then 30 years ago watching All in the Family and Archie arguing with Gloria over guns that classic line "would it make you any happier little goyl if they was thrown out of windas?" That was more then 30 years ago. And in spite of just a few administration changes. I'm still hearing the same arguments.
And 30+ years from now I'll probably still be hearing the same arguments.
So many things have to happen just right for the second to be significantly changed that its highly unlikely it will.
Instead it will go back and forth like it always does
Even the appointment of SC Judges is no small feat.
Look at it this way.
Since and including the time Carter first took office. The Republicans have had Their president in office 20 of the last 32 years.
And for all their "Pro life" rhetoric. They STILL havent gotten Roe V Wade overturned.
And Im supposed to beleive that Obama is going to suddenly wave a magic wand and get all the necessary people that would needed on board make gun rights go away?
And what would he do that the next Republican pres wouldnt undo? (That assault weapon ban really stuck now didnt it?)
C'mon dude. Your much brighter then that. I know. I've seen it.
With that in mind Im not basing my decision on 1 or two or even three issues alone.
As for voting records. Each votes almost strictly along party lines. Big whoop.
Obama 96%.
Contrary to popular beleif. McCain is hardly a rebel. In the current congress he has voted along party lines 88.3% of the time.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/thats what? a whole 7.7% difference?? Wowww
WOOOooo. Real rebel.
If that makes him a rebel. then the fact that I eat meat 85% of the time means Im a vegetarian.
Drop that number down to 70% and I'll be impressed.
By the same token. Obama is no winner either.
I could list his things as as well. But Im not trying to take part in this mutual admiration society. And I'd just be feeding the resident rah rah club.
I am trying to look at it all in an unbiased manner
2nd amendment and abortion aside
Each has taken positions I do not like on some things. And do agree with on others.
So far I still dont think either of them is the lessor of all evils.
I may just "waste" my vote on an independent out of pure disgust.
Finally. My comments were made specifically on what he said in his speech. Which was what my comments were all about. The speech.
