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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #465 on: August 31, 2008, 09:24:47 AM »
todd.. I am still not getting it.    from your own list the only one that didn't have executive experience was Ike and he ran an entire war... whole countries.

JFK was shot before anyone knew anything about him other than his dad bought the election.   Some VP's made bad presidents tho.

I failed to find a good one that had no life experience and two years as a senator that stood out tho.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #466 on: August 31, 2008, 09:26:38 AM »
And..  If she ran the country like she runs Alaska then I could not be more pleased. 

course..  if you want a two year senator who is in bed with chicago politics and corruption instead.. 

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #467 on: August 31, 2008, 09:43:22 AM »
Women with guns  :aok

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They should have just ended the series with that one.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #468 on: August 31, 2008, 09:45:06 AM »
dred.. I will be charitable and say that maybe you do think you are centrist... as has been pointed out...  leftists think that they are centrist..  I rarely see an individualist or libertarian like myself who would call himself centrist.

I have seen your "well reasoned" replies for years.... if you are a called a right winger by your friends then..  new jersey (or your part of it) is even more far gone than I thought.   Like someone in san francisco being called "right wing"  it doesn't take much.

Guns?  it is the second amendment after all and.. the one that actually can protect the others but... If you were  to be honest..  and have actually read, as you claim, what I have written then you would see that I am an individualist.. for individual freedom..  NOT, like you socialism or..  as you call it.. the "general welfare"

Please tell me how being concerned about the "general welfare" and individual rights can go to together or..  how "the general welfare" and socialism are different?

I am being charitable when I say that you believe that you are centrist.. that you really don't know how far left you are... otherwise I would have to look at your pretend "fair and balanced" posts and conclude that you are no more honest than most lefties.

Your fair and balanced reasoning is like listening to NPR when they have a "discussion" ... "are the republicans truly evil or just really stupid bad people?"   "we will hear nancy pelosi on the truly evil and in defense of the republicans only being stupid and bad we will have jesse jackson."   

That is what I see in your posts for "joisey"

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #469 on: August 31, 2008, 09:48:44 AM »
what I have written then you would see that I am an individualist.. for individual freedom..  NOT, like you socialism or..  as you call it.. the "general welfare"

Please tell me how being concerned about the "general welfare" and individual rights can go to together or..  how "the general welfare" and socialism are different?

Lazs,

Why is individualism superior?

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #470 on: August 31, 2008, 10:09:49 AM »
it is not superior.. it is the only way.   first you allow individual freedom so long as it does not harm others... then as individuals we can help each other.

not..  well.. say you lived out in the sticks in the old west with no real law.    say that your neighbors.. all 10 or so of em from miles away all came over one day and said.. "we are going to build a church and a school for the general welfare and you need to pay for your share and work on it with us"

You say.. "well.. I am not religious and think it is not a good thing..  I home school and think that is superior.. I don't like the way you have organized the school."  I think I will pass.

They say.. if you don't then we will come back with badges and guns and take your livestock and possesions and sell them to pay your fair share of the general good"

You say.."if you try I will resist"  they say.... "if you resist, we will have to kill you or.. if you survive we will build a jail to put you in."

I probly give more to charity than most of the socialists on this board.  maybe not.. I bet I do tho.   I don't want you or anyone else telling me who and when and how much tho.   

That is why individualism is superior to socialism.

Individualism is the natural order..it is our birthright.. anything else is forced.

This country was founded on those principles but has strayed.. democracy has trumped individual rights.. the wolves are voting that the sheep be dinner.

Not all individual rights are ones that I agree with or would exercise but..  I would defend them in word and deed.

Palin is more like that.. more of constitututionalist and individualist than any politician I have seen in the running in a long time save some libertarians who never have a shot.

In short..  I am no threat to the socialists.. I don't tell them what to do..  they are a threat to me..  I don't want to interfere in their life but they are never happy until they control every aspect of mine.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #471 on: August 31, 2008, 10:19:20 AM »
T least they had experience when they did become President. Something Obama won't have if hes elected.

Lincoln had no executive experience when he was elected, and almost no legislative experience on top of that.  Of those I listed, Eisenhower had plenty of executive experience in the military, but no political experience of which to speak.  On the other hand, Jimmy Carter had plenty of executive experience.  Johnson had both extensive political experience (as a Representative, Senator, Senate Majority Leader) as well as executive experience (VP).  How would you place him relative to others on the list?

Even VP experience doesn't necessarily prepare one for the presidency.  I would argue, for example, that Bush Sr. was so intent on showing he was not Reagan that he initially organized his White House in an extremely poor, inefficient way.  He apparently had learned nothing about how to run an efficient White House under Reagan (who in his first term had managed to create one of the most well-organized, efficient organizations to date).  Clinton, a governor, had one of the worst transitions to power in modern times.  George W. Bush, also a governor, had one of the best.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #472 on: August 31, 2008, 10:23:00 AM »
first you allow individual freedom so long as it does not harm others... then as individuals we can help each other.
I probly give more to charity than most of the socialists on this board.  maybe not.. I bet I do tho.   I don't want you or anyone else telling me who and when and how much tho.   

Individualism is the natural order..it is our birthright.. anything else is forced.

This country was founded on those principles but has strayed.. democracy has trumped individual rights

Not all individual rights are ones that I agree with or would exercise but..  I would defend them in word and deed.

Palin is more like that.. more of constitututionalist and individualist than any politician I have seen in the running in a long time save some libertarians who never have a shot.

In short..  I am no threat to the socialists.. I don't tell them what to do..  they are a threat to me..  I don't want to interfere in their life but they are never happy until they control every aspect of mine.

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Thanks!  Will get back.  Would love to talk about natural law.  You done any study of it or have some notions to trade back and forth?

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #473 on: August 31, 2008, 10:25:35 AM »
As has been pointed out on this BBS, Lincoln, although revered by many, trampled the Constitution far more than just about any other President. I'm not sure I'd sure use him as an example of a good President.

If tEh EeVEEee11 Boosh had treated the Constitution the way Lincoln did, the chart of liberal heart attacks would have gone vertical.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #474 on: August 31, 2008, 10:31:19 AM »
ya know hap.. that idea of repeating back everything someone says so that you seem/have a grasp of what they said?

It works for speech but is pretty much a non issue for print.  you can just go back and read.

I would be glad to discuss any of my views with you.. start a thread... ask a question.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #475 on: August 31, 2008, 10:39:01 AM »
yep... I would not use lincoln as an example of how someone who knew nothing and ran nothing was a good pres.

In my opinion.. lincoln did more harm to the country than any other president in history.  He wasn't so much a bad pres.... a bad executive... as he was one who destroyed what the country was about.

 carter and lbj and fdr were governors and they were classic bad presidents but.. they were extreme socialists too... they let that interfere.. change.. the job.. just as osamabinbiden wants to change what a POTUS should do.

It would seem that your list just proves that liberals can do harm no matter what their background.

Palin is not a liberal.   I would 1,000 times rather live under her rule in Alaska than even visit the craphole that is chicago.

Alaska... Chicago... you be the judge.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #476 on: August 31, 2008, 11:52:25 AM »
todd.. I am still not getting it.    from your own list the only one that didn't have executive experience was Ike and he ran an entire war... whole countries.

JFK was shot before anyone knew anything about him other than his dad bought the election.   Some VP's made bad presidents tho.

I failed to find a good one that had no life experience and two years as a senator that stood out tho.

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JFK ...you are kidding right?

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #477 on: August 31, 2008, 11:55:11 AM »
The marriage of presidential elections and reality TV shows has been consumated.


...In the back of my mind, it leads' me to think that as well. I'm afraid myself that they are just using this woman as an election stunt. What i've been wondering about is what this does to her political career if McCain loses? Where can she go from there?

Also, I'm wondering how she will handle being under really close scrutiny...This won't be like politics back home. I'm sure, even now, there are people digging into her background as deep as they can go to find something they can use against her. I wonder how she will fare in fending those off?

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #478 on: August 31, 2008, 11:59:00 AM »
Here's a bit on Troopergate from the Anchorage Daily News (I still read it quite often).  From an interview with Pailn yesterday:

"Q. Is Troopergate going to hurt your candidacy?

A. No, not when you consider ... I did not pressure commissioner Monegan to hire or fire anybody. And commissioner Monegan confirmed that again today. As he had been confirming all along but I think that had been ignored.

And so, no I'm not worried about that. "

http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511512.html

She should be. If there's anywhere for some snoop to get his crowbar in, they will pry.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #479 on: August 31, 2008, 12:04:11 PM »
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All due respect Dred, it sounds like you are confused - or talking apples and oranges.  If your decisions are based on principle, it doesn't matter what "side" others may assign to you.  You make decisions either towards socialism or away from it.  Towards liberty or away from it.  Towards the original consitution or away from it.  

Rather than Democrats and Republicans (composed of people), its better to think in terms of liberalism and conservatism (ideologies)   Then, it is easy to know where you will make your stand.
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