Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?

[DREDIOCK]

While I am not passing judgement on you, I don't follow what your post, and to be honest rarely read it, I would like to say that your comments above are the same felt by just about everyone.  If you ask a right wing or left winger, they would say the same about themselves. 

It is my experience that the far left think they are centrists.

I honestly don't know about you, but I am a right winger, I admit it and am proud of it. 

Good for you!  Really. Thats not even meant sarcastically.
I applaud you for your admission.

I outside of a particular thread I may be involved in dont go out of my way to follow anyones postings either.
But know this. As far as Im concerned each thread is what it is. Unless there are other threads similar to it. Anything I say begins and ends in that thread.

Example.
Laz and I may beat and bloody each other in this thread in disagreement.
But I will also gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with him in agreement in another thread.
Same goes for anyone else.

Believe it or not I actually like Laz and respect him for his outspokenness on a variety of issues. That I will agree and not agree with.
Actually I cant think of too many here I dont like.
But that doesnt mean I wont square off and banter with anyone. Its just one of the things I enjoy doing here.
Just dont take anything I say too personally. I dont.

[DREDIOCK]

Laz tell me
Exactly which individual right have I condoned voting away?

And I called on you to prove me wrong.
Dont try flipping it.

Call me a liberal if you like. doesnt matter. My views are both liberal and conservative and inbetween based on the subject at hand.
Your views fall almost exclusively conservative as is evidenced by your constant accusing people of being liberal who do not agree with you.

what I want from my government is the same thing I want from everyone else.

If you wont or cant help. At least get the hell out of the way and leave me the hell alone.

Dont help the big guy if your not going to help the little guy too.

Example
Let the large scale widget companies pay for their own exploration and R&D.
In the end it will only hurt their actual profits short term.
And they still cant charge more for widgets then demand can afford to pay.

If my government is going to help. Then help everyone. just just the conglomerates.
And if everyone should be left to do for themselves. then let everyone do for themselves. Including the conglomerates.
Level the playing field one way or the other but level the playing field.

[FrodeMk3]

Interesting discussion developing...

Laz..  You need 200 acres up the back of a valley. Call it 'Coventry'. Load up a wagon, head on in and live that 'individual' life; while you still have a chance. You won't have that opportunity for long... bear in mind, a bunch socialist weenies will be trying to snoop and trespass, so keep yer powder dry. When they drag you back out and stick you in the slammer for whatever BS transgression they can pin on yah, I suspect you'll need a liberal weenie lawyer.

Dred.. You and I will be raging against the machine till they stick us in the ground. It's nice to have principals, but like everything else, it's got a price. Unless we're standing guard mount at laz's wall, If we want to keep our jobs, plates on our cars, gas in the tank and food on the table, we're gonna have to accept the fascist coupon book and shop wallmart, fasten our seatbelts & stop for the red lights on the way home.

IMHO.. it's now down to being all about the cheese. How much 'they' got; who makes it, what kind, where I can get some, how much it's gonna cost me. For the last 40 years, the price has been going up... as with everything else cheese related. This once promising land of 'freedom and equality' has devolved into a facsist 'have and have not' society. Those that got the cheese, those that don't. That's the choice... accept the covenant, get your cheese... defy it, no cheese.

Not much wiggle room for 'principals'.... I agree, they are precious, but abstract ideals in a reality of cheese leave the rats with the supply lines pretty much in the drivers seat.

So, in other words, No matter how noble a concept that you believe you live under, no matter what kind of words you use in any constitution or form of gov't. you live under...you are still at the mercy of the few who do hold any sort of power, Economically or politically.

It's too bad that any gov't., no matter what it's laws, or idealogy, or bill of rights, even our own, is in truth only as good as the people that implement it. If you think about it, Communism in Russia was killed by corruption of it's ideals, by the individuals that were in positions of power, more than any one thing. But corruption has also killed monarchy's, and yes, even democratically based representative or parliamentary gov'ts. Such as Nicauragua under Somoza, Or Cuba under Batista.

[Urchin]

Oh, I'm not passing judgment on her.  I think almost everyone would try to get him fired.  If he did what they SAY he did, I'm not sure why he wasn't fired, if they had proof of it.

Of course, he and his wife were in the process of a divorce at the time.  From what I've seen, most divorces aren't exactly amicable, and even 'close' families tend to split among bloodlines.  I know my family absolutely hates my sisters ex-husband, and tend to ascribe all sorts of diabolical behavior to him.  I'm not exactly close to my sister, so I tend to be somewhat more objective on view these claims with a somewhat cynical eye.  By 'these claims', I mean any claim made about the behavior of an ex-spouse, even by people I'm not related to.

[Saxman]

I hear saxman and dred tell me about the common good and how just and fair and inevitable and necessary it is yet.. when you read their posts you see nothing but a slippery slope and more government than any of the founders ever invisioned... in fact... more government than any early 1900's sci fi writer ever dreamed of.

Tell me lazs, did you even read the entirety of my post, or did you stop at the first thing you disagreed with to rail about me promoting extreme-left socialist big-government nannying?

I'll repost the key point of my statement that you disregarded, just to make sure you see it this time.

The problem is when the protection of the general welfare and common good goes TOO far and the need for the rights or contributions of the individual are ignored.

It's too bad that any gov't., no matter what it's laws, or idealogy, or bill of rights, even our own, is in truth only as good as the people that implement it. If you think about it, Communism in Russia was killed by corruption of it's ideals, by the individuals that were in positions of power, more than any one thing. But corruption has also killed monarchy's, and yes, even democratically based representative or parliamentary gov'ts. Such as Nicauragua under Somoza, Or Cuba under Batista.

[Hangtime]

So, in other words, No matter how noble a concept that you believe you live under, no matter what kind of words you use in any constitution or form of gov't. you live under...you are still at the mercy of the few who do hold any sort of power, Economically or politically.

It's too bad that any gov't., no matter what it's laws, or idealogy, or bill of rights, even our own, is in truth only as good as the people that implement it. If you think about it, Communism in Russia was killed by corruption of it's ideals, by the individuals that were in positions of power, more than any one thing. But corruption has also killed monarchy's, and yes, even democratically based representative or parliamentary gov'ts. Such as Nicauragua under Somoza, Or Cuba under Batista.

Pretty much.

*sigh*

It's exceedingly apparent the choices we're actually allowed to make are on the lines of 'giant sweetheart or crap sandwich'.

Unless of course, you haul yer bellybutton up to Laz's valley and declare open season on sweetheart bags and turd hero's.

[Gunthr]

But if we only follow the right. We are headed towards feudalism. - Dred

By "the right" do you mean "those who are very conservative"?

If so, could you expound on how following only conservatism, or conservative principles, would lead us to feudalism? 

[AWMac]

All in all.... if in a mud wrestling match. I belive Sarah P. would take out Michele O. and even Nancy P.

Man that would be hot.

Never mind.

Mac

[PalmerAK]

http://65.74.2.234/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece%23cid=OTC-RSS%26attr=797093

[texasmom]

What's the link to? I got a password protected access denied popup.

[Urchin]

By "the right" do you mean "those who are very conservative"?

If so, could you expound on how following only conservatism, or conservative principles, would lead us to feudalism? 

No, he means diehard republicans, not conservatives.  We don't have very many conservatives on these boards, at least not very many vocal ones.

Fuedalism can be viewed as the ultimate form of 'haves vs have-nots' government.  The US has been growing steadily more unequal since the 70s (in the socioeconomic sense, the PC crap is just there to distract the lower class from that).  What is the solution to this problem?  IS it a problem?  I think it would be hijacking the thread to take it in this direction, so I'll leave it at that.

[Yeager]

As for Elian Gonzalez....  last thing I read about him was that he was quite content.....

just as I assumed, lol

you are a communist sympathizer.

[myelo]

Tell me, Yeager.  Who am I gonna vote for in the next election?

You just gotta be one of them liberal democrats. Otherwise you would have been ejaculating posts claiming the choice of Palin was the most brilliant political move since the beginning of time even though you never heard of her until now.

The only other possibility is you're objectively assessing the situation and .... and .... no, that's just too crazy.

[PalmerAK]

My brother sent it and it goes directly to Times Online .co.uk article on Palin with an interesting photo. I just checked it and went right to article. It is a U.K. site

[Yeager]

Tell me, Yeager.  Who am I gonna vote for in the next election?

I'll bypass myelos ejaculatory dribblings and tell you that you are voting for the person who best represents your views and whom you think is the most qualified to lead.

At least if your worth the salt on your balls that's what you'll do,