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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: Ho
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2008, 01:47:10 PM »
I complained about getting bashed on 200 about it fyi Gav. I am in no way speaking for my sqauddies at all they pay their 15 dollars just like everyone else. But if we "campaign" for not hoing with these posts, maybe we will finally get people turning to our side instead of having a majority of people hoing :aok

Not gonna happen.  So long as their are huge disparities in firepower or other aircraft abilities people will HO.  For example, I take every HO shot possible against La-7s when I am in the 190F-8 with less energy than the attacker.  I figure my chances in a knife-fight against the La-7 are worse than a coin toss with an airplane that is much slower, turns worse, climbs worse, etc., so the HO improves my odds of victory to ~50%. :D
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Offline stodd

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 01:51:44 PM »

Also, ignore the fools that tell you  "It takes two to HO".  They're fools.   It takes two to merge, only one to make it a HO.
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Offline infowars

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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2008, 02:04:45 PM »
A HO is actually a nose to nose and there is a plenty of tactics to avoid and reverse.  I only HO when I actually have a shot.  And that would be considered a snap shop.  So anyway. :rock

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Offline *PAPA*

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Re: Ho
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2008, 02:15:15 PM »

Also, ignore the fools that tell you  "It takes two to HO".  They're fools.   It takes two to merge, only one to make it a HO.

Ok...What's the "rules"?  Isn't anything after the first merge fair game? I would say 90% of HO's complained about are not on the first merge

Since the term "fools" is  brought up: A reasonable person can't assume a person is going to "play fair" on a first, or second, or..etc merge, because that would be foolish right?

Fool you once, shame on me, but fool you twice shame on you. I say expect it and defend against it, so that the complaints can stop for once and for all.
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Offline Sloehand

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Re: Ho
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2008, 11:29:10 PM »
After 3+ years, I'm starting to love HO threads.  In the history of online sims, to paraphrase a famous quote, sort of...  "never have so many, complained so much, about so little."

What people who complain about HO'ing are really saying is... "I had a different outcome in mind, with some dazzling ACM turning and burning on my part, and you following the script I want, to your untimely death.  How dare you do anything to disrupt MY gameplay!"

It's very nice if two opponents decide to engage in a merge without resorting to the HO, but to expect it and then complain the other guy is "not honorable", or a "no skill dweeb" (which he may be if he's new) is the height of childishness.  If you want fairplay and rules, go to the DA.  Otherwise, you're in the best available aerial combat sim possible, which includes your opponent doing anything and everything HE decides he wants to do at the time.  Your job is to expect the unexpected at all times, and counter whatever he does to beat him.

And, in certain situations, where least time to a kill may be imperative (especially when outnumbered), the HO may be the best thing going.  Learn to know when to expect it, like when your opponent is in a 110, or an IL2, or a Niki, a 109G-14 with 20mm gondys, an 190A-8 with 30 & 20mm's, an F4U-C, etc, etc, etc.

My rule of thumb is, anytime you let your plane get in front of my guns expect to get shot at.  I might not, cause HO is 50/50 proposition at best (maybe 55/45 if your in a big gun ride and the other guy isn't) and I prefer the odds to be more like 95/5 in my favor if I can work them that way.  But sometimes I don't have the time, and sometimes the inclination, to work that hard.  I ain't telling you when I will, or when I won't, so be prepared.
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Offline Chalenge

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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2008, 12:40:27 AM »
...what really takes skill ...

lol the 's' word again.  :rolleyes:

See my thread 'Ho Avoidance 101.' Its so easy to turn away...
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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: Ho
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2008, 01:02:26 AM »
lol the 's' word again.  :rolleyes:

See my thread 'Ho Avoidance 101.' Its so easy to turn away...

Meh, I avoid 99% of ho attempts, maybe even more... it still doesn't stop the occasional lucky shot that gets your radiator. :rolleyes:  Gameplay tonight was sneak bases, ho, gang, rinse and repeat.
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Offline stickpig

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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2008, 01:26:04 AM »
the bad part is that most are not sure what an Head On (or HO) is.... shoot a guy from the top they call HO.. shoot from the high side...Thats an HO as well to some. Shot  some one from their 5 o'clock high and that was an HO.....
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Offline 1pLUs44

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Re: Ho
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2008, 01:26:58 AM »
the bad part is that most are not sure what an Head On (or HO) is.... shoot a guy from the top they call HO.. shoot from the high side...Thats an HO as well to some. Shot  some one from their 5 o'clock high and that was an HO.....

They just want an excuse to yell at you :rolleyes:
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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2008, 01:32:56 AM »
I just find it comical when folks who scream so bloodily about HO'ing are the same folks who can quickly justify it if a "second" red con is within Icon range.

((Not directed at the OP or anyone in this thread directly, just an observation that even some of the most anti-HO folks will do it when "they" feel that it is justified.))

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Offline 1pLUs44

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Re: Ho
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2008, 01:34:33 AM »
I just find it comical when folks who scream so bloodily about HO'ing are the same folks who can quickly justify it if a "second" red con is within Icon range.

((Not directed at the OP or anyone in this thread directly, just an observation that even some of the most anti-HO folks will do it when "they" feel that it is justified.))

Shoot, I'll HO, I dont care, depends what plane I'm in. If I'm in a spit, I wont HO just to make a good fun fight, Jug... yea. Anything non-maneuverable, I'll HO...
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Offline Shane

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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2008, 02:34:34 AM »
yeah i don't have a plm with HO's  there are times when it just might be the valid tactic that the situation requires.

i think most HO whines should be directed at those who make it their *only* tactic the majority of the time, but even then YMMV and it's a part of the game.

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Re: Ho
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »
Ok, here we go, this is a HO at its best!
http://fb.esnips.com/doc/2dd66d10-c79e-4a51-87df-5b45c240e7b3/Ultimate-HO

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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2008, 06:00:09 AM »
     Let me get this straight...first I tell the guy that HOed me he's a skill less dweeb.
Then he replies negatively <huge shock> so I come into the BBS and whine about it
some more?

     We should have a procedure list for this kinda stuff :rolleyes:
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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: Ho
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2008, 09:06:24 AM »
the bad part is that most are not sure what an Head On (or HO) is.... shoot a guy from the top they call HO.. shoot from the high side...Thats an HO as well to some. Shot  some one from their 5 o'clock high and that was an HO.....

Same thing goes for picking.  I get accused of picking all of the time when I am the only bandit in icon range.  One guy even said "we all have our own definition of picking," therefore it's whatever I want it to be. :rolleyes:
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