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Offline infowars

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Convergence
« on: August 29, 2008, 03:03:13 PM »
I don't know if there is something in text you guys can help me with but here is my question.

I've been dueling in the furballing section of the DA, trying new techniques so to speak. I have now been able to saddle up real well in my p51d, with just about anything. The problem I have is I'm behind them so long trying to land shots that I get picked. I've been messing with my convergence and just was wondering is there a better formula. I've had mediocre success with two of them at 300 and the other at 200.

So I guess what I'm wondering is how much lead to I need for example 200d out 300d out etc... Also excuse my ignorance but is that distance yards or feet?
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 03:06:36 PM »
I'm pretty sure it's in yards.
Basically, set your convergence to whatever range you normally shoot at. And set all the guns to the same convergence setting (very important in .50 cal birds.)

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Re: Convergence
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 03:09:55 PM »
I set my conv. to where the majority of my shots take place. In my case it's around 400yds. If your having trouble hitting the guy it's probally a gunnery issue, not a convergence issue. Gunnery is not a easy skill to learn. Like most things in this game it takes time.
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2008, 03:13:40 PM »
I set pretty much all my conversion at 200 yards. 20mm, 30mm, 50 cals, 303 w/e ! 200m!
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2008, 03:16:25 PM »
There are some birds I'll have the convergence pulled in tight, like the Zero and the Spitfire, and other birds I'll have it relaxed a little more, like the Hellcat and P-51.  

I've been messing around with my convergences for a long time and I think I've settled on around 425 to 450 for all six .50 cal guns on the Pony and Hellcat.  At least, give it a try and see how it works for you.  The key is that with the machine gun birds, you've got to hit with your bullet stream concentrated enough over a long enough time to do the fatal damage.  If you set your guns out to 650 then when you're shooting at 300 yards the bullets are too spread out and are less effective.  With a setting of 425 or 450 they're still concentrated enough at the shorter ranges, and at the common 400ish yards range they're deadly.

ps: my longest convergences are on the 262, where I have two 30mm cannons set at 650 yards, and two 30mm cannons set to 550 yards.  The reason for the little difference is that they're still concentrated enough for mostly instant buff kills at the angles I dive on bombers at, and the slight disparity in range gives a little vertical spread that helps when firing at fighters from directly on their six, where the profile is the narrowest and hardest to hit.  The long range is to get extra loft on the bullets to help when pulling high-lead shots.

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Re: Convergence
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 03:19:55 PM »
And set all the guns to the same convergence setting (very important in .50 cal birds.)

Not really, I use a staggered setup (250/275/300) and it runs better, imo, than puttin 'em all at one...
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2008, 03:20:40 PM »
mine are all set to 350 to 400
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2008, 03:31:42 PM »
It probably has a lot to do with my gunnery.  Any suggestions or continue shooting drones and mixing it up with other fighters?

At 300 out do I still need a lead if we're not pulling g's? 
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2008, 03:36:26 PM »
It probably has a lot to do with my gunnery.  Any suggestions or continue shooting drones and mixing it up with other fighters?

At 300 out do I still need a lead if we're not pulling g's? 
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 04:19:57 PM »
I can pretty much guarantee (from experience) that the main reason you are having trouble landing hits is not convergence but in your stick setup. In particular if you use a twisty stick you need to dampen the rudder and other axis to get rid of nose bounce. You also need to limit your use of combat trim.
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 04:28:58 PM »
I can pretty much guarantee (from experience) that the main reason you are having trouble landing hits is not convergence...
challenge, sometimes it appears to me the farther out my convergence is, even with my standard ,50's and 20's, the lead is different for different ranges. back on topic, for my .50 i set my convergence in a stagger, 375, 400, 425, thats only for the pony. in all my .50 birds i have it set up at 400 for all .50's. my 20mm shots are at 200-250 convergance. on meh 262 i have all my guns at 650.
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2008, 04:31:04 PM »
Not really, I use a staggered setup (250/275/300) and it runs better, imo, than puttin 'em all at one...

You won't get the concentrated fire power that you will if all rounds hit the convergence point.


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Re: Convergence
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 04:36:00 PM »
Also, historic ranges for many dogfights were around 100 yards. It was considered outside of guns range to shoot at 300 yards most of the time (one pilot made a comment about a plane being "outside guns range" at 300 yards, but he knew some of his rounds might hit so he fired anyways).

400 should be your maximum "okay, no more shooting, you're praying more than spraying" range.

Setting convergence to anything beyond 400 (unless bomber hunting) should not be done. Your rounds are losing their damage the further out they go (they get WEAKER over longer ranges!!) and you need to move in closer and control your itchy trigger finger more.

If you want to learn to control your gunnery fly a plane with SMALL ammo loads. I learned to control my spraying by flying a 109F with 150 rounds only. I'd also suggest the Yak9U (120 rounds only). The more you have to go home empty handed to rearm the more you will learn to appreciate holding your fire until it counts.

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Re: Convergence
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2008, 05:11:39 PM »
Not really, I use a staggered setup (250/275/300) and it runs better, imo, than puttin 'em all at one...

Not in AHII. They should be set to same convergence.  I set mine at 350 in the 51D and it works well.      :salute
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Re: Convergence
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2008, 05:20:20 PM »
You guys shoot far out...
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