Goodbye New Orleans?

[boxboy28]

ya know all these years ive waited to sing the "youth birgade" song "gonna sink with californa when it falls in to the sea"   .............. but now its "Oh when the saints....oh when the saints and gustov come marching in".....


leave it a flooded delta full of gators like it should be!

[Jackal1]

A looting we will go.
A looting we will go.
High Ho.......(everybody join in now)

[ridley1]

Oh, to be a realty agent in New Orleans....

"Now if we walk Up this hill.....just a little further.....
See? isn't it nice to walk in the Gulf of Mexico?"

Last time I drove through N.Orleans, about 6 months ago....an easy 25% of the city still shows what Katrina did.

[AKIron]

I would that not another penny of my money be thrown away rebuilding a city in hurricane alley, a city even when it's not being assaulted by mother nature is assaulted by crime out of control. If the residents want to endure this foolishness then they should be free to do so but why should I have to pay for their stupidity?

[USRanger]

Paying for another man's stupidity is the American way!

[CptTrips]

"New Orleans is a dead museum."

Wab

[Buzzard7]

Anybody even see a graveyard in NO?  I used to pick up loads of Zattarain's at 82 First street in Gretna. Take a look at the sat shot for that addy and tell me if you think that warehouse is still standing. The graveyards near the site are all above ground. You can't dig a grave 13 feet below sea level.

If you want to rebuild NO then you better bring in enough fill dirt to bring the whole city above sea level by at least 20 feet. Please do not use the army corps of engineers as your only engineering source. Sorry if I offend some of you but I have seen their work. Pa cold storage warehouse is a good example. 5 trucks waiting to load for Katrina relief. Quicker you get them loaded quicker relief gets to the site. My truck was loaded before any of the relief trucks. The good ole boys from the corps of engineers were standing around for 2 hours not even thinking of loading. The drivers said something to those boys and were told to mind their own business.

P.s. My bad warehouse is still there and they still ship out of it. The water way just north of the warehouse is going to be bad news when the next one hits.

[lasersailor184]

Anybody even see a graveyard in NO?  I used to pick up loads of Zattarain's at 82 First street in Gretna. Take a look at the sat shot for that addy and tell me if you think that warehouse is still standing. The graveyards near the site are all above ground. You can't dig a grave 13 feet below sea level.

If you want to rebuild NO then you better bring in enough fill dirt to bring the whole city above sea level by at least 20 feet. Please do not use the army corps of engineers as your only engineering source. Sorry if I offend some of you but I have seen their work. Pa cold storage warehouse is a good example. 5 trucks waiting to load for Katrina relief. Quicker you get them loaded quicker relief gets to the site. My truck was loaded before any of the relief trucks. The good ole boys from the corps of engineers were standing around for 2 hours not even thinking of loading. The drivers said something to those boys and were told to mind their own business.

P.s. My bad warehouse is still there and they still ship out of it. The water way just north of the warehouse is going to be bad news when the next one hits.

The solution to the problem isn't just "Filling the bowl in."  Besides the INCREDIBLE amount of dirt you'd need, the engineering services just to do it would rate on the nation moving levels much like the Pyramids of Egypt did.  I.E. Everyone stops what they are doing for 30 years, is paid sub minimum wage and just toils away.

Past the ability to do this, the environment itself is a paradox.  They moved onto a river delta.  To keep the river from flooding them, they dammed it off.  However, the river ALSO added soil to the delta, keeping it above sea level.  So they stopped it from flooding, but they made it start to sink.


There is no solution for New Orleans.

[FrodeMk3]

If you want to rebuild NO then you better bring in enough fill dirt to bring the whole city above sea level by at least 20 feet.

It would be cheaper to build the levees' out of reinforced concrete. To fill in the NO depression would take Billions, if not trillions, of yards of Fill material...which you'd have to get somewhere. Not to mention the fact, that you would have to completely remove the existing city, and rebuild it back on top of your fill. I think LS might be optimistic on his timeframe. This would be the work of half a century or more, consuming vast amounts of other resources. And New Orleans', not to offend anyone here, is neither a strategically important city, nor economically, to justify that vast expense.

[Donzo]

I would rather see federal dollars go toward relocating people instead of rebuilding if Gustav (or any other storm) should destroy the city.

[Gunthr]

all I know for sure is...

 its eeevile Booshe's fault.

[Dago]

Will the black community in NO embarrass itself again?

Sit around complain, wait for someone to lift them off the porch and evacuate them, loot everything that doesn't float away, sit around and make demands about how everyone else is supposed to take care of them, then expect the US taxpayer to support them in hotels for the rest of their lives?

Or will they actually get up, evacuate, be responsible, not destroy trailers and hotel rooms, pick themselves up by their own bootstraps?

[Buzzard7]

I realize that filling that in would be pretty darn hard to do. Just making a statement. I drive a tandem dump truck for a living and yes I know what it takes to fill a hole. Sometimes more than you took out of the hole.

Let us hope everyone is heeding the evacuation orders. Even if it means walking out of NO.

[DREDIOCK]

I could have had a nice looking house near a lake.
But I knew that the area was prone to flooding now and again Basements become swimming pools. And the area becomes near impossible to get in or out of.
Being one that believes a house on land is a house and not an occasional boat with an occasional indoor swimming pool I decided on an area that other then the street on VERY rare circumstances going a few inches under water is reasonably on dry ground.

Anyone who builds typical housing in an area prone to flooding deserves anything that happens to them.
Besides NO. Every year or so we see headlines of rivers overflowing,people putting sandbag damns up and homes being washed away.
And every year or so we see the same types of homes built and rebuilt in the same locations.

HOW STUPID ARE THESE PEOPLE??

Primitive native tribes all over the world make homes in the same kind of areas too. Yet they have a solution to co exist with the wrath of mother nature.





Now if primitive tribes have figured this out.
Why cant these people?
And why dont the local building codes require it??

[FrodeMk3]

I realize that filling that in would be pretty darn hard to do. Just making a statement. I drive a tandem dump truck for a living and yes I know what it takes to fill a hole. Sometimes more than you took out of the hole.

Let us hope everyone is heeding the evacuation orders. Even if it means walking out of NO.

You will lose anywhere from 15 to 30% of the original volume due to compaction and material type. Solid rock would almost fill one for one, but not many people use pure rock for fill. But the whole argument is moot; Think about all of the Heavy equipment such as Scrapers, Front bucket loaders, Dozers, Compactors, etc. that you would need, all of them burning diesel at close to 5 bucks a gallon. The expense in fuel alone would pay for All-concrete levees...and that would probably be the ultimate solution for New Orleans, if it wishes to remain a viable spot for habitation.

I would be willing to bet that if not everybody heeded the evacuation last time, then, well...They won't this time, either.