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Offline Boxboy

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Real Strat
« on: August 31, 2008, 01:41:38 PM »
How about a real strat situation where each side has a finite amount of equipment per camp, and as each type is lost its availability goes down i.e. so many spits of each type, la7, f4u, etc etc when they are gone that country is out of them until a reset occurs?

You could also dispurse them proportionally at the fields so that planes might have to be "ferried" to bases for use as the base "ran out of its allotment"

Not sure but it seems like coding this would be a simple counter for each type of equipment in the game, the number per camp could be based on the total number produced during the war.
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2008, 01:44:49 PM »
Maybe for the AvA, not for the MAs, though.
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2008, 02:10:30 PM »
Well, HTC would never fix it to where you can "shut down" say Spixteens for a country by bombing. Too much objection. However, I think there might be an alternative. Couple strategic bombing of say "aircraft production facilities" in each country's hinterlands to a sort of sliding ENY/Perk system.

Say one country does extensive bombing of another's a/c production facilities. The La7/Spit16/N1K would not become totally unavailable. Their ENY numbers would just raise, the higher ENY planes might pick up a light perk price, for as long as it takes the production facilities gradually regenerate. (I also think it might be a good idea to introduce a similar principle to ENY in general...you would never be ENYed out of a given plane, you might just have to pay perks to fly it.)

Of course, IMO, this would require that the ENY numbers be revamped to be more logical than they are currently.

You could do similar things for fuel and ammo. Destroy enough of the enemies production facilities for these, and maybe he has to pay 3 perks or so for full fuel and ammo loads.

This plan would hopefully accomplish two things. First, it make high altitude penetration raids by heavies w/escorts useful enough to be done more often than once in a blue moon. Second, it would create a real use for all these fighter perk points most long-timers have lying around piled up to the ceilings.
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2008, 02:15:33 PM »
BnZ, great idea. The thing is, factory defense would have to be greatly done over. Right now, I see a lot of times where there's an enemy factory in the middle of friendly fields, because we haden't taken the zone base yet. Usually that factory would be dead already. If this plan were to be put in, we'd have to have 5" up the wazoo shelling you as you came in.
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2008, 02:23:00 PM »
Well, HTC would never fix it to where you can "shut down" say Spixteens for a country by bombing. Too much objection. However, I think there might be an alternative. Couple strategic bombing of say "aircraft production facilities" in each country's hinterlands to a sort of sliding ENY/Perk system.

Say one country does extensive bombing of another's a/c production facilities. The La7/Spit16/N1K would not become totally unavailable. Their ENY numbers would just raise, the higher ENY planes might pick up a light perk price, for as long as it takes the production facilities gradually regenerate. (I also think it might be a good idea to introduce a similar principle to ENY in general...you would never be ENYed out of a given plane, you might just have to pay perks to fly it.)

Of course, IMO, this would require that the ENY numbers be revamped to be more logical than it is currently.

You could do similar things for fuel and ammo. Destroy enough of the enemies production facilities for these, and maybe he has to pay 3 perks or so for full fuel and ammo loads.

This plane would hopefully accomplish two things. First, it make high altitude penetration raids by heavies w/escorts useful enough to be done more than once in a blue moon. Second, it would create a real use for all these fighter perk points most long-timers have lying around piled up to the ceilings.


Well my idea has nothing to do with bombing, it has to do with attrition and the MA is exactly the place for it.

Bombing would still close bases etc etc, but this would limit the "uber" planes as they were lost forcing folks to fly "other" rides (sorta like a longer lasting eny), it would also help to put an end to bomb and bail tactics as the peer pressure for "losing planes" would begin to set in.

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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2008, 03:37:15 PM »
....The La7/Spit16/N1K would not become totally unavailable. ...
Just love how biased this board is and almost never mentions the #1 used plane in these whines because it is America's darling P-51D.
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2008, 03:52:37 PM »
Karnak -

Unless somethings changed drastically, the P-51 isn't the most used.  It may be the trend is heading that way though. 

Two months doesn't exactly make a trend though, especially seeing as the Niki's right there with it.

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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2008, 04:12:23 PM »
Karnak -

Unless somethings changed drastically, the P-51 isn't the most used.  It may be the trend is heading that way though. 

Of course it's imposisble to say exactly what planes is leading in total number of sorties or flight time, but when looking at the cruch of "kills+deaths" the P-51D is indeed most "used"

2007 the P-51D had 829K kills & deaths, Spit XVI 742K, N1K2 728K, La7 726K.
2008 it's so far: P-51D 490K, Spit XVi 467K, N1K2 398K, La-7 322K - out of 7 completed tours so far, P-51D was #1 in that category 5 times.
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2008, 04:17:02 PM »
Just love how biased this board is and almost never mentions the #1 used plane in these whines because it is America's darling P-51D.

1. My post was not a whine. It was theory about how to make some sort of viable and acceptable strategic targets.

2. The P-51 is not an ENY 5 plane like the three I mentioned, it is an ENY 8 plane, which is why they merited mentioning in the context I was speaking and the Pony did not. This is a perfectly fair ENY, because as currently modeled, the P-51 is a more mediocre plane than these other 3. (The other ENY 5 planes I can think of off the top of my head, the P47N and Ta-152, should not be ENY 5, they should probably also be around 8 ). The high use of the P-51 is based on reputation and popularity, not uber-effectiveness.

3. I'm sorry if some stupid thing W the Decider said annoyed you, or for whatever has you on the rag against Americana today. As I say, the P-51 is not an ENY 5 plane and is not particularly uber as currently modeled, so naturally people don't "whine" about it. There would have to be unperked F4U-4s and F4U-Cs flying around before anyone would have a justifiable whine about an American plane to match whines about Spixteens/Lalas/N1Ks.
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2008, 05:09:36 PM »
I believe Karnak is American, so you can drop the martyrdom card.

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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2008, 05:32:22 PM »
I am the one who got crap first, being accused of "whining" and "bias". What am I to make of the phrase "because it is America's darling P-51D"?

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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2008, 09:37:07 PM »
Just love how biased this board is and almost never mentions the #1 used plane in these whines because it is America's darling P-51D.

Not sure if you think the thread is a whine or just that one post? but hey with 10k posts you value your opinion over most in here anyway :rofl

Actually was just thinking of adding some reason to try and fly home, instead of the mindless HO's, bomb and bail, etc etc that goes on in the main
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2008, 10:49:50 PM »
So the country that is outnumbered already and most likely being horded from both sides now has to defend more spots.  If I understand it correctly:  The country that has numbers and an ENY that is creaping up or is already up has to up a huge bomber mission to kill the "plane making place".  This action would then bring the ENY back down so they can horde more bases with all cannon rides......No thanks

The ENY system that is used now is fine....not perfect but it does it job!
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2008, 11:13:53 PM »
if it was for mas id be tempted to up spit16'a and la7's until they depleted for all sides :devil....im strongly against it
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Re: Real Strat
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2008, 04:54:35 AM »
Yeah I am sure the scoho's would be against losing their uber rides, but if they didn't get shot down they wouldn't lose em :rofl
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