Ok Laz, Question for you

[E25280]

It is easy to vote 88% with your party because 80% of the votes are irrelevant to anything that matters.

The more relavant % to calculate is, how many of his positions on issues are conservative (roughly Republican) or liberal (roughly Democrat).  As Captain Virgil Hilts points out, many of his positions on issues are anything but conservative.  In fact, he seems to have taken great glee in poking his finger in the eye of his own party on many occasions, preferring to cave in to the opposition rather than standing on "conservative" principle.

[DREDIOCK]

I understand what you guys are saying but still. If you vote almost 90% of the time to one side. Its pretty safe to say your aligned with that side.
And remember he still voted WITH Bush over 90% of the time.

Now if you lean to the right. then yea. that 10-12% or so difference will make him seem liberal.
But ONLY if you already lean to the right to begin with.

And THAT is the point Im making

Course to a Liberal. McCain would still be a right winger.

[DREDIOCK]

A great example. I support the NRA. I support sealing the borders. HOWEVER, I am absolutely without fail pro-choice. Is there anything wrong with that?

Heh,
I've been saying the exact same things. But Laz says Im a liberal.
Guess that makes you one too LMAO

[FrodeMk3]

Heh,
I've been saying the exact same things. But Laz says Im a liberal.
Guess that makes you one too LMAO

Not everyone is following a set of rules chiseled in stone, issued as to party dogma. Many of us here see things alike on some subjects, and not alike on others. Most everybody here on the board is Anti-gun control; But, for example, not everyone thinks' that invading Iraq was a good idea. Many of us are opposed to taxes, but differ on our opinions as to how many, or what kind of Social programs we should have. Oh, you can look at the current ideals that many or most party types have, and adopt them as your own, but...You strip away some of your individuality in the process.

[CAP1]

Dred.. McCain's immigration reform program is what I detest about him.. last time he backed off when attacked about control of the borders FIRST, immigration 'reform' second. Next NAFTA and the North American Union issue.. both clear indicators he's owned by corporate interests.

not just him dude

[lazs2]

dred.. what is the question?   I think you are under the mistaken impression that I support republican views in any way other than them being the lesser of two evils.

I have said over and over that they are the lesser of two evils.. that democrats are running toward socialism while republicans are walking and dragging their feet a little.

Socialism is my enemy at the present because it is the biggest threat..  I am against all big government tho..  I would vote libertarian if they had a prayer.

I support individual rights.   I support the second amendment and I would like to end the war on drugs.. which is more important?  the second amendment.   if I choose between two parties.. one supports the second but has a war on drugs and the other wants to destroy the second and wants to let some idiots smoke a little pot under their supervision...

I am gonna vote for the former every time.

Pick an issue.   To me.. Vouchers are very important if we can't get rid of tax payer supported schools  it is the least we can do..  no democrat will ever support that.

I would say that I am in agreement with the republicans about 50% of the time and the democrats about 10% or less of the time.   The democrats are pandering metrosexual socialists and they are the biggest threat to me.

I vote republican most all the time because the democrats give me no choice.

lazs

[Getback]

It's the lesser of two evils...........again. On the bright side McCain seems (we hope) to be coming around. He certainly picked a conservative VP. I think before it's all over McCain and Palin will make NoBama and NoBiden look like sissies. I think they need cowboy hats though.

[Nwbie]

dred.. what is the question?   I think you are under the mistaken impression that I support republican views in any way other than them being the lesser of two evils.

I have said over and over that they are the lesser of two evils.. that democrats are running toward socialism while republicans are walking and dragging their feet a little.

Socialism is my enemy at the present because it is the biggest threat..  I am against all big government tho..  I would vote libertarian if they had a prayer.

I support individual rights.   I support the second amendment and I would like to end the war on drugs.. which is more important?  the second amendment.   if I choose between two parties.. one supports the second but has a war on drugs and the other wants to destroy the second and wants to let some idiots smoke a little pot under their supervision...

I am gonna vote for the former every time.

Pick an issue.   To me.. Vouchers are very important if we can't get rid of tax payer supported schools  it is the least we can do..  no democrat will ever support that.

I would say that I am in agreement with the republicans about 50% of the time and the democrats about 10% or less of the time.   The democrats are pandering metrosexual socialists and they are the biggest threat to me.

I vote republican most all the time because the democrats give me no choice.

lazs

lol - what the H is a --pandering metrosexual socialists  ?

[lasersailor184]

I think of McPain like a modern day Benedict Arnold of politics. He goes through the motions of loyalty to the party but when it really matters he betrays the party and votes with the opposition. Every time a dem 'reaches across the aisle' McPain is there to get the group hug and resulting photo-op.

I think of Chalenge as a man who's never spent more than 20 seconds reading about Benedict Arnold.



You are right in your inference of McCain.  You are wrong in how you use "Benedict Arnold."

[bj229r]

Lieberman fell off the Dem reservation on only ONE issue--the war , and they kicked him aside, even financed his opponent in the primaries. I don't want to hear about how we need (WE, apparently, always being conservatives) need to cross party lines

[Serenity]

Lieberman fell off the Dem reservation on only ONE issue--the war , and they kicked him aside, even financed his opponent in the primaries. I don't want to hear about how we need (WE, apparently, always being conservatives) need to cross party lines

Perhaps because if we never made any compromises, we would get nowhere in life and would simply waste all of our money arguing over a mold we ourselves made around absolutely nothing. C'mon, even a two-year-old will compromise sometime.

[lasersailor184]

Perhaps because if we never made any compromises, we would get nowhere in life and would simply waste all of our money arguing over a mold we ourselves made around absolutely nothing. C'mon, even a two-year-old will compromise sometime.

We would be so lucky if the legislators never again accomplished anything.  That they just remained stagnant, always arguing about what we have and doing nothing else.

[WWhiskey]

everyone seems to forget that just 4 and 8 years ago McCain was the person that dems. would vote for if they had too vote republican???? isn't that crazy?

[lazs2]

As I said..  I vote for the lesser of two evils.. anyone who can't see that this country is divided between the blue state metrosexual socialist coast dwellers and the rest of the country is not looking.. we can't be "brought together" and shouldn't... because socialism will never let up.. it will never let me or you alone until it controls every aspect of your life.

If you ever vote for a democrat... at least in the last few decades.. you are the enemy.   you simply are furthering their ultimate cause of more socialism.   the enemy is socialism and the democrats are their party.

There is no reasoning with them and there is no compromise that is not a slippery slope with them.   In my opinion I should be able to consider anyone who votes for a democrat as someone who is personally attacking me.

lazs