Obama and guns?

[Elfie]

Source?  Not some web page that claims it, I want the words from his mouth.

If you google for *Obama's 10 point gun plan* the first hit is his official site. I'm guessing that's where it originated from. In order to get into Obama's site you have to fork over an email address and I am not going to give him mine.

Generally speaking, the NRA is usually pretty accurate in their assessments of political candidates stances on gun control issues. They give Obama an F and McCain a D iirc for gun control stances. How they get all of their information I have no idea.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=308&issue=047

[wrag]

Source?  Not some web page that claims it, I want the words from his mouth.

Usually the source is contained in the pages?

And you can always look at bama sites.

The word is out there.

[Hangtime]

Obama also has a 10 point plan on guns, not one point is good.

 

Ummm.. smells bad Elfie. Not even Obama's stupid enuff to spell something like that out on a platform. Any kind of source available for that list?

Thanks!

[mensa180]

Searched all of Obama's website, no mention of guns.

So all I have to go on is skewed repub sites on his stances, until Mr. Obama tells me otherwise.

Doesn't look good for Mr. Obama.

And I don't want any generic BS either, I want the DETAILS.

[Slash27]

Ummm.. smells bad Elfie. Not even Obama's stupid enuff to spell something like that out on a platform. Any kind of source available for that list?

Thanks!

http://www.nraila.org/obama/

[Elfie]

Ummm.. smells bad Elfie. Not even Obama's stupid enuff to spell something like that out on a platform. Any kind of source available for that list?

Thanks!

I already posted one, from the NRA heh.

[Jackal1]

Searched all of Obama's website, no mention of guns.

So all I have to go on is skewed repub sites on his stances, until Mr. Obama tells me otherwise.

Doesn't look good for Mr. Obama.

And I don't want any generic BS either, I want the DETAILS.

You have got to be kidding.

Searched all of Obama's website, no mention of guns.

What a shocker. 

This election is not about electing a chairman of the local spit and whittle club. It is about electing a POTUS.
People really need to take the time to investigate the issues and how each one actually stands on them, and have stood on them in the past , instead of taking a bunch of whitewashed BS as fact.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmM2NjY3ZWEyNjE4MTMwMDlmNTA5NzE2M2Y2NDQ4ZTM=

[Slamfire]

Firing pins are easily replacable. 

Microstamping could be easily filed off.

Shoot 1000 rounds and the microstamping could be worn off.

Revolvers do not eject casings.

Result? increased cost to the law abiding citizen, no change in law enforcement.

Revolvers are the choice weapon of criminals because they do not eject casings - also, who's to say a semi intelligent criminal wouldn't go to a gun range and pick up some old casings from someone else, and "salt" the crime scene to confuse investigators ?

Microstamping does not work - in fact, it would be a step backwards, making investigations harder to solve.

[CAP1]

If you google for *Obama's 10 point gun plan* the first hit is his official site. I'm guessing that's where it originated from. In order to get into Obama's site you have to fork over an email address and I am not going to give him mine.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=308&issue=047

that's easy.........go to yahoo, and make up a new freebie email there. use it to get in, see what a want, then just let it rot......or delete it

[Jackal1]

Just take him camping one time in Alaska. Put him in charge of cooking the bacon the first morning while you go looking for some fresh camp meat......

Not that I would ever do something so dastardly.....



 

Sign me up.
I`ll guide the hunt.................for free.
 

[Hornet33]

---Why is this a problem to NRA?

confused

How about if a semi smart crook goes to a range where dozens of people have been shooting all day and leaving micro stamped cases lying around, and said crook pics up a bunch of them, then he goes and shoots up a store while he's robbing the place and then tosses all those shell casings on the ground.

If you were at that range and that crook picked up a shell casing from your gun and left it at the crime scene, YOU have just become a suspect in a police investigation.

You didn't do anything wrong so you have NOTHING to worry about right?

Are you going to continue to believe that when the police come to your place of work and drag you out, put you in a police cruiser, and take you to the station for questioning?

How about when they show up on your doorstep with a search warrant and tear your house apart looking for evidence?

Here's anouther thought to consider. How many crooks do you think go out and buy fresh quality brand new ammo for their guns? They're crooks and most will buy the cheapest ammo they can get their hands on, and those are reloads. A shell casing you fired from your micro stamped gun a year ago, might have been fired from other guns several times before crook gets his hands on it and fires it while commiting a crime, but what's going to happen if the micro stamp from your gun is the only one that can be read clearly? Again, your the target of the investigation now.

[mensa180]

You have got to be kidding.

What a shocker. 

This election is not about electing a chairman of the local spit and whittle club. It is about electing a POTUS.
People really need to take the time to investigate the issues and how each one actually stands on them, and have stood on them in the past , instead of taking a bunch of whitewashed BS as fact.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmM2NjY3ZWEyNjE4MTMwMDlmNTA5NzE2M2Y2NDQ4ZTM=

I have already read that, but what I was wondering is if Obama would actually put his views up on his official site.  Guess not.  Thanks for the link though.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Toad]

The stupidity of the microstamp is erased in 30 seconds with a dremel tool. Firing pin or bolt face, it'll easily polish out. The two professional scientific studies of the technique both came to the same conclusion. Check Wiki for references.

University of California - Davis study: "Beddow found that the codes on face of the pin could easily be removed with household tools."

Suffolk County Crime Laboratory in New York: "The last test involved an intentional defacement of the markings on the pin. The pin was removed (a simple operation taking a few seconds on the M1911), chucked in a power drill, spun, and held against a knife sharpening stone for about 10 seconds. Examination of the pin showed some marking remaining at the very center of the firing pin, so the pin was wiped against the stone three times by hand, which removed all traces of the engraving. The tip was of the pin was then rounded to remove any sharp edges, placed back in the pistol, and fired with 10 rounds. No malfunctions were observed".

Big 'feel good' waste of money, the typical anti solution. Just like the   assault weapons ban.

[Toad]

I have already read that, but what I was wondering is if Obama would actually put his views up on his official site.  Guess not.  Thanks for the link though.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The Obamessiah is obviously not going to put his anti-gun positions on his site. However, your common sense tells you that with a documented gun issue voting record like his, he is totally, completely anti-gun. You can come to no other conclusion unless you lie to yourself.

[Elfie]

I have already read that, but what I was wondering is if Obama would actually put his views up on his official site.  Guess not.  Thanks for the link though.

I guess I could use Caps idea for getting into Obama's site, but I'll take your word that you searched it.

I've been a life member of the NRA for more years than I care to recall. Finding out a candidates stance on gun issues is what they do and they are good at it. Generally speaking they are pretty accurate on the various politicians gun stances.