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Re: Obama and guns?
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2008, 12:08:35 PM »
The Obamessiah is obviously not going to put his anti-gun positions on his site. However, your common sense tells you that with a documented gun issue voting record like his, he is totally, completely anti-gun. You can come to no other conclusion unless you lie to yourself.

I know he is anti-gun, I was just curious to see if he would, himself, say to what extent.

PS:  After giving them my email address I have received 3 support emails :lol  The same thing happened to my dad when he gave McCain his email, except they only got it because he emailed THEM to complain.
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Re: Obama and guns?
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2008, 12:11:41 PM »
Biden id possibly even worse?

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4160

You want info that supports the NRA's claims?

Just look at their voting records!
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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2008, 12:19:25 PM »
Now that I have a feel of his views, I'm curious...Is it even plausible he can take away that right?  There have been many anti gun, just how there have been anti abortion, candidates...When they won, what did they get done?  What happened to checks and balances?

Isn't that what all the branches are for?  To prevent one man from changing some this significant?
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Re: Obama and guns?
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2008, 12:21:20 PM »
if obama gets president, world will end, that freak has no right to take the guns out of homes, there for sport and protection


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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2008, 12:24:38 PM »
It would be downright be an Obama-nation.  He's just Biden his time.
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Re: Obama and guns?
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2008, 12:27:21 PM »
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ALBANY---As large cities across New York try to curb gun violence, legislators are trying to lend a hand. They want to force gun manufacturers to implement technology which would allow law enforcement to trace bullet casings.
This bill to trace shell casings was introduced by a democratic assemblywoman and there is also support in the Republican-controlled Senate.


Republican controlled senate?  That's news to me.
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Re: Obama and guns?
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2008, 12:32:30 PM »
Now that I have a feel of his views, I'm curious...Is it even plausible he can take away that right?  There have been many anti gun, just how there have been anti abortion, candidates...When they won, what did they get done?  What happened to checks and balances?

Isn't that what all the branches are for?  To prevent one man from changing some this significant?

Many have said for many years that guns wouldn't be banned.

Then in Kalifornia and when the Klintons got in office MANY types of guns got banned!

There is a possibility that he could affect a ban. 

In the 50's it's highly probable there would have been gun battles with the WWII vets.  So very few politicians even thought about bans.  And MANY of the law enforcement people then wouldn't even think of supporting anti-gun laws.

Now it seems the politicians figure few if any will stand up for their rights.  And law enforcement has gotten so they seem to support nearly any law the politicians create.
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Re: Obama and guns?
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2008, 12:35:20 PM »
Now that I have a feel of his views, I'm curious...Is it even plausible he can take away that right?  There have been many anti gun, just how there have been anti abortion, candidates...When they won, what did they get done?  What happened to checks and balances?

Isn't that what all the branches are for?  To prevent one man from changing some this significant?


Not by himself he can't but with a Democrat controlled Congress it will make things much easier. Look back at the Clinton years and the anti gun legislation that was passed, then look at the Bush years and see how much anti gun legislation was passed.
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Re: Obama and guns?
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2008, 12:39:27 PM »
IF Obama wins, there's at least a 65% chance he could get two terms, depending on how stupid people are, and what kind of candidate the Republicans offer. Let's also add here that IF Obama wins, much of the Republican party will be stupid enough to blame Sarah Palin and the more conservative part of the base. That stupidity would almost surely bring a second defeat.

IF Obama wins, it is likely that the turnover in Congress will continue, and the Democrats will gain seats. There will be at the very least constant attempts to legislate new and far reaching firearms restrictions on a very regular basis.

IF Obama wins, and especially if he gets his second term, it is likely he will nominate 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. There is no doubt as to how liberal they will be, how likely they will be to legislate from the bench, and how far they will go to subscribe to the theory that the Constitution is a "living document".

IF Obama wins, you can expect an EXTREMELY liberal and anti-gun Attorney General. Along with this AG, you'll have the same thing throughout the justice department AND in the BATFE. At that point, you don't even NEED new laws, all you need is a little judicial re-interpretation of the current laws, along with rabidly overzealous enforcement policies based on those "new re-interpretations." Ask some of the long term Federal Firearm License holders what life was like under the Klintons and Janet Reno.

It could take 2-4 DECADES to undo the damage, IF it could EVER be undone, outside of a major revolution of some sort.
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« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2008, 12:42:48 PM »
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Yep, that's it right there.
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« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2008, 12:43:01 PM »
A new Congress will be elected this year, here's to hoping it isn't Dems then.

Or people could, after the first term, get fed up and elect a Republican Congress.

You also have to keep in mind that they are voting people in not on this one issue, to others the right for a woman to choose is more important to them than the right to bear arms.

I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just trying to see why some people would vote for someone they otherwise wouldn't.
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« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2008, 01:11:21 PM »
When a politician comes up with a plan like the 'microstamp' its not really to trace guns but to raise the price so high no one will be able to afford them and the industries are forced out of the country. If you doubt that look at most of our industries now and where they are because of taxes. These laws dont do anything but cripple America and only someone that cares more about himself then his own country could ever conceive of such an idea (which explains just about everything to do with the left). I have said it before and it needs repeating again. Government should protect the people from foreign aggressors and otherwise stay the h-e-double-toothpick out of our lives!

We need a President that if elected would accept no payment/compensation and that would trim the fat out of Government by 98%.

We need a Congress that represents the People and no special interest groups and that gives absolutely NO money at all to anyone outside of the U.S.A.

We need Senators that grew up in the actual State electing them and that is aware of the issues for that particular State and not someone with an agenda or dream of being more then that so they actually attend to business.

We need term limitations on both the House and the Senate.

What tragedy must befall us all before we come to realize this and make it happen?
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« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2008, 01:14:29 PM »
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When a politician comes up with a plan like the 'microstamp' its not really to trace guns but to raise the price so high no one will be able to afford them and the industries are forced out of the country.

Forcing the gun manufacturing business either out of the country or out of business is just plain stupid. If either happens, where the heck is our military going to buy firearms from? We need that manufacturing base.
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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2008, 01:16:33 PM »
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to others the right for a woman to choose is more important to them than the right to bear arms.

The right to keep and bear arms is the one that protects all the others. Those that think other rights are more important than the 2nd Amendment probably aren't thinking clearly.
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Re: Obama and guns?
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2008, 01:23:13 PM »
Anyone know how to get a hold of Obama...I just want to take him snipe huntin...ONE TIME... :mad:

I really want you to seek help, seriously.
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