Views on 9-11

[Hangtime]

...if the government can't cover up a stealth fighter, a hotel break-in, an oval office hummer, a toe tap in an airport bathroom or a coupla hundred grand in a garage freezer....

ah, well; never mind. They're brilliant. We're screwed.

Anybody notice the water is tasting funny lately?

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A bunch of pissed off muslims did that. Prove to me how the government did it. The Demolition thing with the debris has already been proven wrong COUNTLESS times.

ya its been proved if your a robot. they always believe what there masters tell them.

[Motherland]

A bunch of pissed off muslims did that. Prove to me how the government did it. The Demolition thing with the debris has already been proven wrong COUNTLESS times.

No, it was 'proven wrong' by government sheep paid to fabricate false evidence!!!!!!!1`111one!!!

When will you see the light and blindly give in to the failed logic that people like ink try to shove down your throat?

[Bronk]

And we didn't land on the moon.

[Donzo]

It's that time of year again...

Stop discussing about it!

1. People who lost relatives will feel hurt and angry.
2. People who don't believe that the terrorist will start flam wars with people who do.
3. It happened 8 years ago, give it a rest, stop remembering bad and painful stuff, and look at our present day and our future.

1.  I am willing to bet that the people who lost relatives and friends have and will deal with this in their own way.  I also bet that you cannot even begin to speak for them.

2.  That happens day in and day out on these boards and many others over a vast range of subjects.  So what's your point?

3.  If you wish to "give it a rest" then do so...that's your deal.  Remembering the bad and painful stuff is sometimes necessary when looking at our present day and future and if you cannot accept that then you should "give it a rest" and quit thinking you know what's best for others.

[1pLUs44]

ya its been proved if your a robot. they always believe what there masters tell them.

No idiot, when a building collapses the way it did, the debris will also FALL inside on itself before it falls outside itself. It's been proven and it's obvious.

[lasersailor184]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,239704.msg2910592.html#msg2910592 


Just because I absolutely KNOW you will ignore it again, this is where I described in detail how you are wrong.

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No idiot, when a building collapses the way it did, the debris will also FALL inside on itself before it falls outside itself. It's been proven and it's obvious.

oh ya the debris the proof

[Motherland]

oh ya the debris the proof

You one of the guys who thinks there was no debris found at the Pentagon (simply because you read it on some website... because everything on the internet is true, yaknow) even though pictures containing watermelon loads of aircraft debris is easy to find?

[1pLUs44]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,239704.msg2910592.html#msg2910592 


Just because I absolutely KNOW you will ignore it again, this is where I described in detail how you are wrong.

Here, even easier for him:

First off, leave Jesse Ventura out of this.  He's gone off the deep end.  And I don't mean I only think he's weird because he switched from Republican to Democrat.

I mean he's 2 computer beeps away from smearing feces on his face and re-enacting Romeo and Juliette in a one man play naked in Central Park.  Dude's masking crazy.


Second?  I ain't just an engineer.  I'm an architectural engineer.  That means I know exactly how to design buildings.  I know exactly how to build them.  I know exactly what causes failures.

Past that, I've been studying Fire Protection, with my Thesis being designed to PREVENT steel failure due to fire.


The failure wasn't some great mystery that the government is hiding from us.  First off, the building was designed to survive the impact force of smaller jet.  However the engineers did not consider that the impact would blow all of the Spray On Fireproofing off of the columns. 

Steel itself is a great structural material.  Hell, without Steel concrete itself would be useless.  The problem is that steel has VERY poor thermal properties in relation to heat.  That's why we use Metal for pots and pans and not wood.  The structural steel with fire proofing could last many hours, perhaps even days.  Without fire proofing, it would be lucky to hit half an hour.

Most steel is only loaded to 50%-75% of the capacity (the latter being if the loading properties are EXPLICITLY known).  60-65% is a good average for us to work with.  Now if you take the thermal properties of steel, it hits 65% capacity at about 1000 degrees fahrenheit.

But when you consider that roughly 1/8 of all the steel columns were severed on the buildings, suddenly all the other columns must carry the load.  Not taking into account wind loading due to asymmetrical column loading, the columns were loaded up 85-90%.  This failure occurs at 850 degrees Fahrenheit. 

And in case you can't figure out what this information means, it means that steel doesn't have to melt to fail.  And just for poops and giggles, at 1450 degrees Fahrenheit, most steel becomes roughly the consistency of soft gum.


Second, the pancake analogy for how these numbnuts think that a building should fail is childish at best.  Each individual floor is only designed to hold roughly 100 pounds per square foot at MAX.  However, they are not designed to hold the actual weight of the building above it.  And for every second the building is falling, the force of the section doubles.  So in roughly that first 3/4 of a second it took for the first failure to fall to the next, not only would that floor NOT be able to hold it, but it would have to hold 175% of the total weight.  It wasn't just the weight of the next floor up that was falling.  It was the weight of MANY floors.  In the next second of fall it has roughly 300% the force, or it's hitting 2x HEAVIER than the top section itself.


As to the damage to the other WTC buildings?  Well that ain't hard to figure out.  Many millions of tons of FLAMING WRECKAGE fell upon a complex of buildings all near the base of what were some of the tallest buildings known to man.  Again, it is simply childish to think that a falling person wouldn't crush a few ant hills when he hit the ground.

[Masherbrum]

And we didn't land on the moon.

Please tell me you destroyed the "sound stage footage"?  

[Bronk]

Please tell me you destroyed the "sound stage footage"?  

[CAP1]

Just for argument sake....what good would explosions in the lower levels have done? 

The buildings collapsed from the top down.

Explosions at the bottom would not cause the failure at the top.  Instead we would have seen the bottom collapse first or at the same time as the top.

actually it appeared as if what was left of them imploded.

just sayin.....

[CAP1]

The buildings fell exactly as they were designed to fall, in their own footprint.

I watched the towers fall that day, it wasn't instantaneous, it was a progressive collapse. There are any number of videos on youtube that show the towers collapsing. They show the exact same thing that I watched happen live on CNN that horrible day.

Besides, if it was a government conspiracy, why go to the trouble of flying airliners into the towers? Why not just set explosive charges at night when everyone is gone? Sure it'd take weeks to accomplish that, but the effect would be far greater....ie, larger body count. You could still blame it on the terrorists.

Besides all of that, we have tapes of Osama bin Turdhead himself taking the credit for the attacks and he was proud of it.

well, if you really want an answer........

IF the govt was responsible, thenflying airliners into the towers left a MUCH bigger impression than just blowing them up would. remember, they want to create terror. what better way than to show the sheeple that they can take control of an airliner so easily, and strike them where they feel the safest?

 

[CAP1]

It's that time of year again...

3. It happened 8 years ago, give it a rest, stop remembering bad and painful stuff, and look at our present day and our future.

those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it.