Views on 9-11

[Tango]

Even still the overthrowing of Saddam was well executed. What they screwed up was what to do with the place after.

Saddam had to go. Our stupidity at leaving him in power after Gulf-1 had to be one of the stupidest decisions in our history.

Lets also not forget that the first Gulf War didn't end. It was a cease fire with conditions. Saddam repeatedly broke those conditions [firing on our planes in the no fly zone] which gave us the right to go in and take him out.

[Dago]

Just saying, it's on the record, Rummy and W were licking their chops even before they got in to go into IRAQ.

Just saying, prove it.  Show us the record where this was documented. 

If you can, great.  If you can't, my opinion of your posts will be lower than Bush's approval rating.

[FrodeMk3]

I dont think George W relished sending men into battle. I think he understood the need to demonstrate American military power but I wouldn't accuse him of not caring about the welfare of our troops. Rumsfeldt is kinda a strange fish and difficult to understand. Its very dangerous to have a Sec/Def who thinks he understands more about War then his Generals. Robert McNamara was like that.

Even still the overthrowing of Saddam was well executed. What they screwed up was what to do with the place after.

Saddam had to go. Our stupidity at leaving him in power after Gulf-1 had to be one of the stupidest decisions in our history.

Woulda been much better to have eased up on the sanctions immediately after GW-1, Got him back in line as an American ally, and used him to help us in the War on Terror-Even with the kurds he killed, even with his invasion of Kuwait, it would have been far better to put up with him in power in Iraq, than to take on the task of doing everything in the region ourselves; His regime in Iraq helped keep the Iranians' in check, and could have, for quite some time to come. He was a Muslim himself, but he was pretty non-secular, and he kept those factions' in Iraq at bay.

I'm afraid that we are going to find that REMOVING Saddam was one of our stupidist decisions in history.

[FrodeMk3]

So, for years now, there has been people saying there was explosives put in the building, to help it go down, and so forth, what is all of your opinions on 9-11? conspiracy's? or just terrorists?, personally, i belive it was just from the impact, i mean, thing about it, 100 ton aircraft-500+mph, and 10,000+ gallons of jet fuel=BOOM


-BigBOBCH

I've heard all kinds' of 9/11 conspiracy theories; One of the wildest ones was that it was actually a stealth fighter or bomber hitting the WTC's with cruise missiles...

The entire "building rigged with explosives" theory is almost as ludicrous. It would be impossible to conceal such a plot, with the building active 24/7.

What has been seen on TV is what happened. There were too many cameras, too much film shot, for any kind of editor for the government conspiracy to try to suppress. Hell, I doubt that even the old Soviet propaganda machine would have been able to do that job.

The only conspiracy theory that even remotely would hold any water, would be that Mohammed Atta and his cohorts were aided in their task by any such gov't. conspiracy, in the form of money and pre-arranged security "hiccups" that allowed his group to travel through the U.S., get flight training, and be able to slip through airports, even though they were on the terrorist-watch list. This one would be believable if there was any proof of a conspirator on the inside, arranging things. But, IMHO, the only one that could hold water.

[lasersailor184]

Woulda been much better to have eased up on the sanctions immediately after GW-1, Got him back in line as an American ally, and used him to help us in the War on Terror-Even with the kurds he killed, even with his invasion of Kuwait, it would have been far better to put up with him in power in Iraq, than to take on the task of doing everything in the region ourselves; His regime in Iraq helped keep the Iranians' in check, and could have, for quite some time to come. He was a Muslim himself, but he was pretty non-secular, and he kept those factions' in Iraq at bay.

I'm afraid that we are going to find that REMOVING Saddam was one of our stupidist decisions in history.

It's pretty easy to keep factions at bay with genocide.


I'm not passing judgment on whether or not we should have gone in....  I'm just saying that it would be very easy to argue with the liberals in America if I can knock off 60% of them on a whim.

[FrodeMk3]

It's pretty easy to keep factions at bay with genocide.


I'm not passing judgment on whether or not we should have gone in....  I'm just saying that it would be very easy to argue with the liberals in America if I can knock off 60% of them on a whim.

Oh, I know...And I might be abusing hindsight on this. I'm thinking about the mess we've found ourselves in now, and the problems we face dealing with more current events, such as the crisis in Georgia, and new developements with N.Korea's nuclear ambitions, as well as an increasingly hostile Iran, instability in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc., etc.

I also won't argue Saddam's brutality, even towards his own people. But, he's not the first Middle Eastern ruler to be that way. Hell, the Royal family in Saudi Arabia enforces a bunch of ridiculous sharia laws, and we actively support them...

[lasersailor184]

Oh, I know...And I might be abusing hindsight on this. I'm thinking about the mess we've found ourselves in now, and the problems we face dealing with more current events, such as the crisis in Georgia, and new developements with N.Korea's nuclear ambitions, as well as an increasingly hostile Iran, instability in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc., etc.

I also won't argue Saddam's brutality, even towards his own people. But, he's not the first Middle Eastern ruler to be that way. Hell, the Royal family in Saudi Arabia enforces a bunch of ridiculous sharia laws, and we actively support them...

But there will always be problems.  There always have been problems.  Even in Clinton's time.  Even in Reagan's time.  And for every president before them.  Our problems are no worse than what we faced yesterday.  But many people who want power would have you believe that crap is getting worse daily.

[Gunthr]

I'm almost certain that every person in the USA who believes 911 was perpetrated by our own government is a LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE.  It is more a political assertion than anything else.

[tapakeg]

And not to mention, the buildings started to fall exactly where the planes hit them. The building did not start to fall from lower levels with explosions.  If anyone thinks they had a pilot hit the building where they had explosives rigged....................... ..

[Husky01]

I'm sorry but am I the only one finding it funny that someone calls an another poster stupid and then uses (sp?) because he's unsure of his spelling and too lazy/ignorant to check it out?

Yes, you are.

[Rollins]

IIRC, someone posted this one before, but it certainly bears repeating.

http://www.thehowdydoodyuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

[CAP1]

I dunno, an explosive demolition of the towers could have killed upwards of 50,000 people. It would not have given any one time to evacuate. It would have been just as spectacular.....in a morbid sort of way.

true, it would have. but the way i'm looking at it, is that quite a few people have a bit of a fear of flying. they also see airliners everyday.

[CAP1]

Jet fuel has an energy equivalent of over 135,000 Btu per gallon. Wow!! That burning and igniting other chemicals in the building structure could easily reach the half way point to steel melting and weaken it considerably.
Just in case you were wondering.

this is true......but the fireball that eminated from the impact would have been the majority of the jet fuel. what was still burning in the building was most probably furniture, walls, anything flammable that was already in there........

[CAP1]

Saddam had to go. Our stupidity at leaving him in power after Gulf-1 had to be one of the stupidest decisions in our history.

didn't we put him there to begine with
?

[Nwbie]

I'm almost certain that every person in the USA who believes 911 was perpetrated by our own government is a LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE.  It is more a political assertion than anything else.

Must be the same liberal progressives who believe the government wants to steal all their guns so that their government can round them all up to be stuck in a socialist state ...or communist... nuts that is what they are... dammmm those liberal progressives