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Offline Chalenge

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A36 Apache!
« on: September 09, 2008, 01:57:50 AM »
I need dive brakes!  :aok

No need to climb above 10k with this plane and it would make a nice anti-GV plane so I dont ever have to fly an A20. Handles nice and turns very well and it saw action!

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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 02:00:18 AM »
What kind of ordnance does it hold?
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 02:02:29 AM »
2 bombs up to 500 pounds each.
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 02:15:50 AM »
Sounds pretty similar to a Pony B (which would make sense):

4 50 cals, 2 500 pound bombs, Allison engine (I believe), but the Pony has rockets.
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 02:23:25 AM »
Two 500s four .50s and 2 .30s it will out turn a B I think is much more stable in a dive with the dive brakes out it doesnt build up speed diving and should climb better being lighter weight.
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2008, 02:32:22 AM »
Oh rgr, I missed the .303's when I was reading somehow.

Is it the same Allison engine as the early Pony's?  I'm just curious as to what it's climb rate and speed would be.

I think it'd be cool to have, but personally, I'd like to see some non-American planes first. :aok  Could be a cool addition to Early or Mid war aircraft as well.

Do you by chance know it's service and production records?
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2008, 03:36:29 AM »
In Detail & Scale Vol 50 they say it had 6 .50s in place of the P51s 4 20mm so I was mistaken about that. The engine was the Allison V-1710-87 (maybe a different variant then the B I dont know) and according to the book the plane it was assumed would remain at 12k or lower. 500 were ordered by the USAAF on 16 April 1942 and first saw combat on 6 June 1943 in North Africa. The A36 flew 23300 combat sorties most of them attack but some escort missions also.
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2008, 10:47:02 AM »
The engine was the Allison V-1710-87 (maybe a different variant then the B I dont know)
The P51B has a Merlin...

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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2008, 01:48:45 PM »
You are right of course and I should have realized that the P51A and Mustang II were the last planes to use Allisons.
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2008, 02:01:43 PM »
We don't need UK plane to be added.
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2008, 02:12:56 PM »
Just tell yourself it's a US plane if that makes you feel any better.

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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2008, 02:15:42 PM »
Just tell yourself it's a US plane if that makes you feel any better.

 :huh :rolleyes:
It same damn thing. Axis plane would be nice such as KI-44 KI-45 Do-17 HE-111 Betty.
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2008, 02:51:33 PM »
The P51B has a Merlin...
Oh I misread, your correct, the B model had an Allison supercharger. :aok
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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 03:00:03 PM »
Oh I misread, your correct, the B model had an Allison supercharger. :aok
Interesting...
I know admittedly little on the subject of P51's, only that the A36 and P51A used Allisons, the P51B was the first to use the Packard-Merlin, and then the P51D introduced the cut-down rear fuselage.

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Re: A36 Apache!
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 03:15:48 PM »
P51 was designed as a fighter. Only the US Army had its fill of fighter designs. What it had an opening for was a dive bomber. Since the P-51 was so promising at the time they couldn't pass it up. They put dive flaps on the wings and bomb racks underneath. They left off the supercharger because it would be a low alt dive bomber. Probably had a power curve similar to our P-39 in-game.

However, in practice it wasn't very reliable. The dive flaps (top/bottom of wings' center spar) were unreliable and sometimes wired shut in the field so they didn't pop out at the wrong time (so I've read). On top of that they were fairly underpowered with the Allison engines. They had a higher top speed but climb rate was nothing hot. Bomb load was also limited, compared to some other planes of the time. In short, this was a fighter that could only be developed as a dive bomber, so they made it look like one, but it wasn't really one. After they gave up on that and made it a real fighter ("P-51") it became what it should have been, even despite retaining the Allison engine.

It would be cool to see, I think. I think the 4x 20mm Hispano version of the Allison-powered P-51 might also be interesting with a perk price of like 80-100 points or so.