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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #105 on: September 29, 2008, 03:34:32 AM »
*Edit, i looked your stuff up for 'kills in' you fly some luft sometimes, compare to Lynx, he hates luft, hundreds of kills but none in any 190, 109, 110... Glock and Angus here won't say their names, but they attack and jumble up the thread... they attempt to bury the truth. Prove me wrong Angus, Glock89, put your game call sign.
Mine is Schlowy3, I'm pro-luft yep, but i'm no liar.

Just seen your edit.  I just fly whatever i feel like at the time.  The 109G-2, 110G-2, 262, 109F-4 are amongst my favourite aircraft in the game, don't fly them that regularly though.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #106 on: September 29, 2008, 04:06:23 AM »
Might be a long reading schlowy, - how long do you think I was in AH?  :devil
BTW out of 109's the 109F is my favourite. Second comes the G14 or the G2, G-6 doesn't like me.
My main problem is being jumped by a good stick in a Spitfire :D Or due to my suicidal missions (like radar porking along the lines) I get jumped by more bandits than one. In that world, I prefer the Spit VIII above all.
Then the c.202 makes a blast, I fly it light with 2 guns, and frequently people laugh so hard when they see me that I shoot them  :t
Now here is a conspiracy theory. Last year the world's only flyable Fairey Firefly pancaked into the ground. Me thinks that some Luftwobble cut the elevator cables so it couldn't be analysed better  :noid
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #107 on: September 29, 2008, 04:56:42 AM »

You mean the curve that an La7 can do its supposive 'topspeed' for its whole fligth instead of 1min probly?



Erm no it can't but you don't know where the wep key is. So you just think it is running at full power.

its W or W for extra power,

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #108 on: September 29, 2008, 06:16:19 AM »
ROFL  :rofl

By the way, the 109 runs much longer on "W" power than the Spitty although in real life that would perhaps not be so  :cry
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #109 on: September 29, 2008, 03:02:53 PM »
Glock89,
In that statement you imply that I am smoking a mind altering drug... you 'beg the question' that I am smoking something.
You also 'beg the question' that my post has no intelectual thought because of the implication that I smoked something.
You also 'attack the person instead of the argument.'
Three falacies in one statement, Shame on you.

Verbally attacking a player is in roc. So is attemting to create 'flame'. So is overly using smilies icons.
Three roc's in one statement also... Shame on you twice.

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Can we get back to topic now?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Go outside stop making up lies that they crash the 109 for a reason.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #110 on: September 29, 2008, 03:41:59 PM »
No the topic is the allied conspiracy to eliminate the possibility of showing the 109's uberness!
 :noid
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #111 on: September 29, 2008, 03:46:34 PM »
Ok, this thread has clearly been under attack by some of you, repeatedly going off topic and making personal attacks. And theres no mods... so fine, I'll put it back on topic.

The following is everything these ROC VIOLATORS have attacked.

This is too easy,
English secret service ordered the guy to crash it so that England wouldn't be proven to be a nation of liars with their 1001 lieing documentaries that put thoughts in peeps heads like 109's were difficult to land.

That being said, powerful 109 Engines do tend to flip light weight 109's. All 109 pilots knew not to do large sudden changes in the throttle while landing. As opposed to the weak stuff, for example a spitfire, a guy could jam the throttle back and forth all day and not be able to flip it if he tried.

Had the plane been tested by a team of non partial judges, it would have far out flown any English written stats - especially those by the lieing liar Eric Brown.
 
 
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Its soooo simple:
High powered 109s, don't put full throttle from idle and ya wont flip the plane. Same probly goes for don't drop throttle from full to idle either to fast either, might flip it. Now lets see facts in a positive light - high power with low weight usually equals speed. As for the gear mechanisms being closer to center axis, this meant better roll rates, but also is negatively interpreted as 'dangerous landing' only.

Haters of the 109s run their mouths a bout 'landing probs,' but they don't dare mention the positive that this meant higher speed and faster roll rates.
And the plane was crashed for that reason - to hide the positive part, so that it can't be proven.

National Pride translated into National Reputation and Security.
Its like the olympics, the planes were the best the countries could come up with, representative of the countries as a whole. Probs magnify because saying the spit is better or not, doesn't mean USA didn't save thier butts. England's secret service saw that tiny lil 60year ole plane as a threat to its dignity, history, reputation, and security. Proving Eric Brown a liar is proving England a liar for supporting and allowing him to record his trash. No nation wants to be known for twisting facts. And ofcourse England being able to 'hold its own' in reputation and military power has to do with its security now... Imagine the arabs saying 'Well, England said blah blah, but you know how those English lie..."

--------------------------------------------

That was only some pie, heres the rest:
The radiator levers...? pathetic, if he didn't know how to opperate the plane then he had no business being in such a rare plane. The 'news clipping' said the pilot had 18 hours on the plane. He probly already read the pilot handbook, but also had a proceedures check list with him, and he would have been in radio contact with someone whom also would have been fully read on the plane with a proceedures/check list book in hand.

Giving it a bad rep about landing was, in a way, a 'wonderful bonus.' The myth was the primary 'leg to stand on' for the 'accident reason' to wreck it. Its like killing two birds with one stone - destroy the 'source' and add to the lies at the same time.

The true reason for destroying the craft was so that the plane wouldn't be able to be tested for flight stats. The news clip said something about 'this was its last flight anyways.' They didn't want the plane to ever be recomissioned and used as a 'source.'

About landing: when on retreat, pilots sometimes have to quickly learning new airfields, lots of reasons for wrecking more than plane design or pilot error. How about battle damage to cause crash landings, like the gear shot out? Check Galland's Book about after D-day in france, many Luftwaffes, that were based in germany to protect german industry from b17 and b24, were flying west to find bombed out or capped airstrips. Sometimes they had to land at crowded smaller secondary bases. The plane wasn't any more difficult to land than any dam thing else. They lied to kill a stat source.

----------------------------------------------

The probs with 109s? Compression off the top, the rest of the stats are questionable, lack of credible sources. In todays world, with computers and new electronics, testing that plane would be much more definitive, even if we had Russian and French judges... (the 04' olympics) 

The prob that we're talking about though is that this 109 can no longer be tested for the very stats in question. Just because 109s tend to kill their opponents, or go against b24s and b17's, they are more likely the planes to be returning to land with a little damage. Hence they sometimes have to 'ditch.' But these guys are trying to say that 109s are accident prone when landing. The truth is that all ya have to do is not jam the throttle back and forth too quickly (considering such a powerful engine and low weight plane) and ya won't flip, like this 'professional' did, whom we are sure did all of his homework on the plane before ever getting into it. Seems he also forgot how to operate the radiators... And we are expected to believe this was an 'accident.' Well, if so, he accidentally saved the worlds view of England, had any testing results shown that the plane was


Lets dance
if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
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Lynx got in it saying 'yawn' and then calling me 'tw@' again...
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #112 on: September 29, 2008, 04:24:45 PM »
Ok, this thread has clearly been under attack by some of you, repeatedly going off topic and making personal attacks. And theres no mods... so fine, I'll put it back on topic.

The following is everything these ROC VIOLATORS have attacked.

This is too easy,
English secret service ordered the guy to crash it so that England wouldn't be proven to be a nation of liars with their 1001 lieing documentaries that put thoughts in peeps heads like 109's were difficult to land.

That being said, powerful 109 Engines do tend to flip light weight 109's. All 109 pilots knew not to do large sudden changes in the throttle while landing. As opposed to the weak stuff, for example a spitfire, a guy could jam the throttle back and forth all day and not be able to flip it if he tried.

Had the plane been tested by a team of non partial judges, it would have far out flown any English written stats - especially those by the lieing liar Eric Brown.
 
 
-------------------------------------------


Its soooo simple:
High powered 109s, don't put full throttle from idle and ya wont flip the plane. Same probly goes for don't drop throttle from full to idle either to fast either, might flip it. Now lets see facts in a positive light - high power with low weight usually equals speed. As for the gear mechanisms being closer to center axis, this meant better roll rates, but also is negatively interpreted as 'dangerous landing' only.

Haters of the 109s run their mouths a bout 'landing probs,' but they don't dare mention the positive that this meant higher speed and faster roll rates.
And the plane was crashed for that reason - to hide the positive part, so that it can't be proven.

National Pride translated into National Reputation and Security.
Its like the olympics, the planes were the best the countries could come up with, representative of the countries as a whole. Probs magnify because saying the spit is better or not, doesn't mean USA didn't save thier butts. England's secret service saw that tiny lil 60year ole plane as a threat to its dignity, history, reputation, and security. Proving Eric Brown a liar is proving England a liar for supporting and allowing him to record his trash. No nation wants to be known for twisting facts. And ofcourse England being able to 'hold its own' in reputation and military power has to do with its security now... Imagine the arabs saying 'Well, England said blah blah, but you know how those English lie..."

--------------------------------------------

That was only some pie, heres the rest:
The radiator levers...? pathetic, if he didn't know how to opperate the plane then he had no business being in such a rare plane. The 'news clipping' said the pilot had 18 hours on the plane. He probly already read the pilot handbook, but also had a proceedures check list with him, and he would have been in radio contact with someone whom also would have been fully read on the plane with a proceedures/check list book in hand.

Giving it a bad rep about landing was, in a way, a 'wonderful bonus.' The myth was the primary 'leg to stand on' for the 'accident reason' to wreck it. Its like killing two birds with one stone - destroy the 'source' and add to the lies at the same time.

The true reason for destroying the craft was so that the plane wouldn't be able to be tested for flight stats. The news clip said something about 'this was its last flight anyways.' They didn't want the plane to ever be recomissioned and used as a 'source.'

About landing: when on retreat, pilots sometimes have to quickly learning new airfields, lots of reasons for wrecking more than plane design or pilot error. How about battle damage to cause crash landings, like the gear shot out? Check Galland's Book about after D-day in france, many Luftwaffes, that were based in germany to protect german industry from b17 and b24, were flying west to find bombed out or capped airstrips. Sometimes they had to land at crowded smaller secondary bases. The plane wasn't any more difficult to land than any dam thing else. They lied to kill a stat source.

----------------------------------------------

The probs with 109s? Compression off the top, the rest of the stats are questionable, lack of credible sources. In todays world, with computers and new electronics, testing that plane would be much more definitive, even if we had Russian and French judges... (the 04' olympics) 

The prob that we're talking about though is that this 109 can no longer be tested for the very stats in question. Just because 109s tend to kill their opponents, or go against b24s and b17's, they are more likely the planes to be returning to land with a little damage. Hence they sometimes have to 'ditch.' But these guys are trying to say that 109s are accident prone when landing. The truth is that all ya have to do is not jam the throttle back and forth too quickly (considering such a powerful engine and low weight plane) and ya won't flip, like this 'professional' did, whom we are sure did all of his homework on the plane before ever getting into it. Seems he also forgot how to operate the radiators... And we are expected to believe this was an 'accident.' Well, if so, he accidentally saved the worlds view of England, had any testing results shown that the plane was


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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #113 on: September 29, 2008, 04:26:27 PM »
Ok, this thread has clearly been under attack by some of you, repeatedly going off topic and making personal attacks. And theres no mods... so fine, I'll put it back on topic.

The following is everything these ROC VIOLATORS have attacked.

This is too easy,
English secret service ordered the guy to crash it so that England wouldn't be proven to be a nation of liars with their 1001 lieing documentaries that put thoughts in peeps heads like 109's were difficult to land.

That being said, powerful 109 Engines do tend to flip light weight 109's. All 109 pilots knew not to do large sudden changes in the throttle while landing. As opposed to the weak stuff, for example a spitfire, a guy could jam the throttle back and forth all day and not be able to flip it if he tried.

Had the plane been tested by a team of non partial judges, it would have far out flown any English written stats - especially those by the lieing liar Eric Brown.
 
 
-------------------------------------------


Its soooo simple:
High powered 109s, don't put full throttle from idle and ya wont flip the plane. Same probly goes for don't drop throttle from full to idle either to fast either, might flip it. Now lets see facts in a positive light - high power with low weight usually equals speed. As for the gear mechanisms being closer to center axis, this meant better roll rates, but also is negatively interpreted as 'dangerous landing' only.

Haters of the 109s run their mouths a bout 'landing probs,' but they don't dare mention the positive that this meant higher speed and faster roll rates.
And the plane was crashed for that reason - to hide the positive part, so that it can't be proven.

National Pride translated into National Reputation and Security.
Its like the olympics, the planes were the best the countries could come up with, representative of the countries as a whole. Probs magnify because saying the spit is better or not, doesn't mean USA didn't save thier butts. England's secret service saw that tiny lil 60year ole plane as a threat to its dignity, history, reputation, and security. Proving Eric Brown a liar is proving England a liar for supporting and allowing him to record his trash. No nation wants to be known for twisting facts. And ofcourse England being able to 'hold its own' in reputation and military power has to do with its security now... Imagine the arabs saying 'Well, England said blah blah, but you know how those English lie..."

--------------------------------------------

That was only some pie, heres the rest:
The radiator levers...? pathetic, if he didn't know how to opperate the plane then he had no business being in such a rare plane. The 'news clipping' said the pilot had 18 hours on the plane. He probly already read the pilot handbook, but also had a proceedures check list with him, and he would have been in radio contact with someone whom also would have been fully read on the plane with a proceedures/check list book in hand.

Giving it a bad rep about landing was, in a way, a 'wonderful bonus.' The myth was the primary 'leg to stand on' for the 'accident reason' to wreck it. Its like killing two birds with one stone - destroy the 'source' and add to the lies at the same time.

The true reason for destroying the craft was so that the plane wouldn't be able to be tested for flight stats. The news clip said something about 'this was its last flight anyways.' They didn't want the plane to ever be recomissioned and used as a 'source.'

About landing: when on retreat, pilots sometimes have to quickly learning new airfields, lots of reasons for wrecking more than plane design or pilot error. How about battle damage to cause crash landings, like the gear shot out? Check Galland's Book about after D-day in france, many Luftwaffes, that were based in germany to protect german industry from b17 and b24, were flying west to find bombed out or capped airstrips. Sometimes they had to land at crowded smaller secondary bases. The plane wasn't any more difficult to land than any dam thing else. They lied to kill a stat source.

----------------------------------------------

The probs with 109s? Compression off the top, the rest of the stats are questionable, lack of credible sources. In todays world, with computers and new electronics, testing that plane would be much more definitive, even if we had Russian and French judges... (the 04' olympics) 

The prob that we're talking about though is that this 109 can no longer be tested for the very stats in question. Just because 109s tend to kill their opponents, or go against b24s and b17's, they are more likely the planes to be returning to land with a little damage. Hence they sometimes have to 'ditch.' But these guys are trying to say that 109s are accident prone when landing. The truth is that all ya have to do is not jam the throttle back and forth too quickly (considering such a powerful engine and low weight plane) and ya won't flip, like this 'professional' did, whom we are sure did all of his homework on the plane before ever getting into it. Seems he also forgot how to operate the radiators... And we are expected to believe this was an 'accident.' Well, if so, he accidentally saved the worlds view of England, had any testing results shown that the plane was


Lets dance

Grammar queening now Glock89? Destorying the thread are we? ok  :)
if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
Shane said in game 'oh the nazi kid' referring to me...
Lynx got in it saying 'yawn' and then calling me 'tw@' again...
I got chat

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #114 on: September 29, 2008, 04:29:06 PM »

Grammar queening now Glock89? Destroying the thread are we? ok  :)
I love how you write all neat trying to prove your point by saying the made the 109 crash. :lol :lol :lol Get over it the 109 had landing problems.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #115 on: September 29, 2008, 04:33:32 PM »
Ok, this thread has clearly been under attack by some of you, repeatedly going off topic and making personal attacks. And theres no mods... so fine, I'll put it back on topic.

The following is everything these ROC VIOLATORS have attacked.

This is too easy,
English secret service ordered the guy to crash it so that England wouldn't be proven to be a nation of liars with their 1001 lieing documentaries that put thoughts in peeps heads like 109's were difficult to land.

That being said, powerful 109 Engines do tend to flip light weight 109's. All 109 pilots knew not to do large sudden changes in the throttle while landing. As opposed to the weak stuff, for example a spitfire, a guy could jam the throttle back and forth all day and not be able to flip it if he tried.

Had the plane been tested by a team of non partial judges, it would have far out flown any English written stats - especially those by the lieing liar Eric Brown.
 
 
-------------------------------------------


Its soooo simple:
High powered 109s, don't put full throttle from idle and ya wont flip the plane. Same probly goes for don't drop throttle from full to idle either to fast either, might flip it. Now lets see facts in a positive light - high power with low weight usually equals speed. As for the gear mechanisms being closer to center axis, this meant better roll rates, but also is negatively interpreted as 'dangerous landing' only.

Haters of the 109s run their mouths a bout 'landing probs,' but they don't dare mention the positive that this meant higher speed and faster roll rates.
And the plane was crashed for that reason - to hide the positive part, so that it can't be proven.

National Pride translated into National Reputation and Security.
Its like the olympics, the planes were the best the countries could come up with, representative of the countries as a whole. Probs magnify because saying the spit is better or not, doesn't mean USA didn't save their butts. England's secret service saw that tiny lil 60year ole plane as a threat to its dignity, history, reputation, and security. Proving Eric Brown a liar is proving England a liar for supporting and allowing him to record his trash. No nation wants to be known for twisting facts. And of course England being able to 'hold its own' in reputation and military power has to do with its security now... Imagine the arabs saying 'Well, England said blah blah, but you know how those English lie..."

--------------------------------------------

That was only some pie, heres the rest:
The radiator levers...? pathetic, if he didn't know how to operate the plane then he had no business being in such a rare plane. The 'news clipping' said the pilot had 18 hours on the plane. He probly already read the pilot handbook, but also had a procedures check list with him, and he would have been in radio contact with someone whom also would have been fully read on the plane with a procedures/check list book in hand.

Giving it a bad rep about landing was, in a way, a 'wonderful bonus.' The myth was the primary 'leg to stand on' for the 'accident reason' to wreck it. Its like killing two birds with one stone - destroy the 'source' and add to the lies at the same time.

The true reason for destroying the craft was so that the plane wouldn't be able to be tested for flight stats. The news clip said something about 'this was its last flight anyways.' They didn't want the plane to ever be recomissioned and used as a 'source.'

About landing: when on retreat, pilots sometimes have to quickly learning new airfields, lots of reasons for wrecking more than plane design or pilot error. How about battle damage to cause crash landings, like the gear shot out? Check Galland's Book about after D-day in France, many Luftwaffes, that were based in germany to protect German industry from b17 and b24, were flying west to find bombed out or capped airstrips. Sometimes they had to land at crowded smaller secondary bases. The plane wasn't any more difficult to land than any dam thing else. They lied to kill a stat source.

----------------------------------------------

The probs with 109s? Compression off the top, the rest of the stats are questionable, lack of credible sources. In todays world, with computers and new electronics, testing that plane would be much more definitive, even if we had Russian and French judges... (the 04' olympics) 

The prob that we're talking about though is that this 109 can no longer be tested for the very stats in question. Just because 109s tend to kill their opponents, or go against b24s and b17's, they are more likely the planes to be returning to land with a little damage. Hence they sometimes have to 'ditch.' But these guys are trying to say that 109s are accident prone when landing. The truth is that all ya have to do is not jam the throttle back and forth too quickly (considering such a powerful engine and low weight plane) and ya won't flip, like this 'professional' did, whom we are sure did all of his homework on the plane before ever getting into it. Seems he also forgot how to operate the radiators... And we are expected to believe this was an 'accident.' Well, if so, he accidentally saved the worlds view of England, had any testing results shown that the plane was


Lets dance

Getting back to topic...
if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
Shane said in game 'oh the nazi kid' referring to me...
Lynx got in it saying 'yawn' and then calling me 'tw@' again...
I got chat

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #116 on: September 29, 2008, 04:34:16 PM »
Getting back to topic...
About the 109 that crash due to landing problems.  :huh
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #117 on: September 29, 2008, 04:39:39 PM »
About the 109 that crash due to landing problems.  :huh

Even the 'official' report says it was pilot error, only question is was it on purpose. ;)
if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
Shane said in game 'oh the nazi kid' referring to me...
Lynx got in it saying 'yawn' and then calling me 'tw@' again...
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #118 on: September 29, 2008, 04:42:14 PM »
Even the 'official' report says it was pilot error, only question is was it on purpose. ;)
Sure is that what the voices say in your head? :huh :lol
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #119 on: September 29, 2008, 04:42:42 PM »
Schlowy, basically all cessna-sized aircraft with 7 times the Hp and 4 times the weight, as well as being taildraggers...are trickier to land than a ...Cessna :D
That's why the 109 had the slats, - as Gunther Rall once told me, he didn't prefer them in combat, because in a rough turn they would throw off his aim, but WITHOUT them the landing would have been unacceptably high.
(Yipppee, this sommer I tried tail draggers and also with slats, so I know what he is talking about)
As for your conspiracy theory, I completely pee on it, - and BTW there are some (and increasing) 109's flyable in the world right now.
As for the performance, there are quite some archives from the Reichsluftministreum available, - real performance tests. I can quote some nice ones from the 109G6 from 1944 if you like :D
In short, you have a case of the luftwobble virus, and it causes you to draw conclusions from the bliss of ignorance.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)