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Offline glock89

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #165 on: September 30, 2008, 03:51:52 PM »
Quote from: Angus on September 30, 2008, 03:48:54 PM
2 landing accidents and I think none is destroyed. Neither was Black 6 for that sake.
In one case it was a UC failiure.
This happens to old warbirds of many sorts, and has caused some to say that they shouldn't be allowed to fly. I'd feel sad if they'd stop, and hope to see a 109 some day in the air.
I have seen for instance F4F,F6F, F7F, F8F, F4U, P47, P51, Hurricane and Spits off many marks. The only ones of those to do wild aerobatics were Spits. And quite some.
The F4U was also impresive.
So, I look forward to seeing the 109 and 190.
I saw a two P-51 ram into 1 on the ground.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #166 on: September 30, 2008, 03:56:29 PM »
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/05/29/224294/video-eads-messerschmitt-bf-109-undercarriage-collapse-and-groundloop-at-ila-berlin.html

This looks like a mechanic forgot something, one colapsed, other didn't even under extra stresses of the accident... different from this threads 109, guy didn't know how to operate the radiators supposively... and a really poor landing approach.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2008, 03:58:59 PM by Schlowy »
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #167 on: September 30, 2008, 03:58:16 PM »
Quote from: Schlowy on September 30, 2008, 03:56:29 PM
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/05/29/224294/video-eads-messerschmitt-bf-109-undercarriage-collapse-and-groundloop-at-ila-berlin.html

This looks like a mechanic forgot something, one colapsed, other didn't even under extra stresses of the accident... different from this threads 109, guy didn't know how to operate the radiators supposively...
It can still fly.
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Offline Die Hard

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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #168 on: September 30, 2008, 03:58:42 PM »
Good that they survived. Not many left, and even fewer 190's. That's what happen when you lose a war I guess. (On that note: On a Discovery show some historian or whatever claimed that the 109 had such appalling landing characteristics that it was no wonder there were so few of them left today. I on the other hand find it appalling that some people can be so stupid as to not understand that a nation that lose a war does not have much surplus military equipment after the war.)
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #169 on: September 30, 2008, 04:00:47 PM »
Quote from: Die Hard on September 30, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
Good that they survived. Not many left, and even fewer 190's. That's what happen when you lose a war I guess. (On that note: On a Discovery show some historian or whatever claimed that the 109 had such appalling landing characteristics that it was no wonder there were so few of them left today. I on the other hand find it appalling that some people can be so stupid as to not understand that a nation that lose a war does not have much surplus military equipment after the war.)
That happened to the last flying He-111 i think it flew into a hill or something :salute. You can see why there not alot of 109s or 190s only 6 Me-262 are still around Got to see 2 of them pretty nice plane so big when you see it in real life.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #170 on: September 30, 2008, 04:06:15 PM »
The 109 was produced and used after the war, and that by quite some numbers.
Some of the ones are made from their airframe.
Wonder how the stats for the "Buchon" were. It was used for the shooting of "The Battle of Britain" in the 60's since they already didn't have an "original" even back then.
So, the sabouteur must be an old man by now  :noid
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #171 on: September 30, 2008, 04:06:58 PM »
Quote from: Angus on September 30, 2008, 04:06:15 PM
The 109 was produced and used after the war, and that by quite some numbers.
Some of the ones are made from their airframe.
Wonder how the stats for the "Buchon" were. It was used for the shooting of "The Battle of Britain" in the 60's since they already didn't have an "original" even back then.
So, the sabouteur must be an old man by now  :noid
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #172 on: September 30, 2008, 04:36:48 PM »
Quote from: Angus on September 30, 2008, 04:06:15 PM
The 109 was produced and used after the war, and that by quite some numbers.

Not compared to allied types. 128 Gustavs survived in Finnish service, a handful in Swiss service, 25 in Spanish service and only 171 HA-1112 were made. Avia produced somewhere between 550 and 600 S-99's and S-199's. So all in all about a 1000 109's survived/were produced after the war. That's a tiny figure compare to the number of allied fighters that survived the war, even if we discount allied post war production.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #173 on: October 01, 2008, 03:18:28 AM »
1000 is a four digit number ;) Mostly for peactime use, although there were scruffles.
Spits and Seafires were produced after the war as well.
Were 109's scrapped post war?
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #174 on: October 01, 2008, 03:30:55 AM »
Quote from: Angus on September 30, 2008, 02:26:23 PM
Sure?
Let's say I'll duke it out with him  :t
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Sure.

This guy reminds me a little of Reynolds when he first came to AH.  I ended up going to the DA with him so he could "show me what german steel tastes like".

Reynolds, once over his original hostile 109 boner, became one of the nicest people i have run into in the game.
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #175 on: October 01, 2008, 05:39:55 AM »
Ahh, I remember that one. Didn't you hose his 109 down in a TBM or something?
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #176 on: October 01, 2008, 04:37:44 PM »
Quote from: Angus on October 01, 2008, 05:39:55 AM
Ahh, I remember that one. Didn't you hose his 109 down in a TBM or something?


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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #177 on: October 01, 2008, 04:41:38 PM »
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #178 on: October 01, 2008, 05:03:24 PM »
I am sure he started with a TBM. Anyway, as a sidenote I had a scruffle with a 109 vs Spits today. I got killed, but I did get them into serious trouble though. I think that practically all of my 109 deaths were caused by a spit..........
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Re: Black 6 crash cause?
« Reply #179 on: October 02, 2008, 06:27:34 AM »
Odd....no reply from old schlowy. I have not succeeded in finding him/her online so far as well  :devil
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