Author Topic: B-17 gun restriction  (Read 719 times)

Offline gatt

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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2001, 07:43:00 AM »
You are kiddin, are you? You have gunners able to fire during high-g maneuvers, a big hit-bubble (against attacking fiters), gunners able to hit from 1,200-1,400yds, Brownings able to remove a wing, ultra maneuverable buffs, ultra climbing buffs at 30K+ ....
and you want buffs parked on the rwy spraying 0.50s all around? Please ...  
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2001, 07:56:00 AM »
Gatt,

What "hit bubble"?  There is no "hit bubble" in AH.  If you hit the plane, you do damage.  If you miss the plane, you miss.  There is no hit bubble.

Oh yeah, and leave 'em disabled on the ground.

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Offline gatt

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2001, 08:32:00 AM »
Hi Lephturn,
if there is not an hit bubble (only for buff-gunners I mean) how can they kill you even when you are maneuvering hard? Sometimes you hear the first ping, then you pull, push and/or turn hard and you *still* get pinged.
Theres a huge difference, IMHO, between gunnery from fiters and buff-gunners. If its not an hit-bubble for sure there is something weird.
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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2001, 09:23:00 AM »
Been there,seen that, no thanks. Diabled on ground please.

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2001, 01:24:00 PM »
No Ackstars... keep the turret guns disabled on the ground.

re: Hit Bubbles and pings, Gatt, you may be hearing pings several hundred milliseconds after the other player's front end registered the hits (net lag).

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2001, 05:17:00 PM »
gatt: That's called lag - the guns are not still hitting you, it just takes a second or two for the hits to register, thus you can still be getting "hit" even while you're turning (or even after the buff blows up).

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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2001, 07:51:00 AM »
Gatt,

It's a combination of lag as mentioned above, and dispersion.

With the auto-coordination of buff guns, you can have 5 or more .50's shooting at you at once.  Each stream has a dispersion effect, and has a convergence setting as well.  The result is a pretty wide cone of fire that makes it relatively easy to hit.

Combine this with lag and the gunner can nail you in some situations that don't look right.  Often, you start an evasive when he fires, but on his FE you are still flying straight for a second or two and he pounds the crap out of you.  On your FE you get blown to bits right in the middle of your evasive move.

It's the nature of the internet beast.    You have to try to plan your evasives earlier than you expect to have them timed right on the gunner's FE.

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Offline iculus

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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2001, 02:57:00 PM »
An M-16 or an Ostwind make a much better gunning platform than a B-17...


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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2001, 10:27:00 PM »
For gameplay purposes, I don't like it.

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