Haha

[Zazen13]

I see what you're talking about constantly, Murdr. This is the single biggest difference between "old-school" people and the "new blood". The old schoolers kept their lip zipped until they had some skill worth talking about. Nowadays, it's all in their head. All the time you see a "nobody" talking smack to a "well known" highly skilled player. The no name guy invariably has 0.368 K/d and 0.279 K/S w/ 1 kill every 90 minutes.

The only success I have had is to give them perspective via statistical dissection of their effectiveness. Basically, if a person can't get a 1:1 K/D and K/S w/ 4+ K/H they just aren't effective, and certainly have no basis for talking crap to anyone. It's not about score even in the slightest, it's just about being effective. If you are ineffective tour in and tour out under no circumstances should you be badmouthing people who are. You should be listening, asking questions, filming and working on stuff. Wasting energy distracting yourself on 200 with baseless chest thumping and smack talk is just going to make that person even less effective than they already are.

However, I will say, just because someone is "ineffective" in the MA does not necessarily mean they are completely skill-less. They actually can have a lot of skill in one particular facet or another. What is often the case is that they are almost completely deficient in one or more key areas. This is the source of their frustration. But, calling their attention to the fact that they are actually, in the big scheme of things, totally ineffective, while somewhat harsh at that moment of revelation, often acts as a catalyst to initiate a rigorous program of self-improvement and they tend to stop the smack talk on 200 for the most part.

[Shane]

sometimes i wish all you could do was ".s Name" on 200 and that was it.

uhhh.. that's what ch 1 is for... d'oh.

<mutters about noobtardz w/o clues>

[BaldEagl]

I wish I was good enough to be called a skilless dweeb.   

[Corrs]

the solution is simple, a few very simple steps to take. Although for some it might be like trying to stop smoking cold turkey. You may get the shakes, maybe break out in a cold sweat, find your self raiding the fridge, get overly grumpy, find your self sleep walking, wake up and find your relieving your self on the house plant or maybe mistaking your linen trunk for a urinal, and for the more serious cases it may require some mental treatment. But this three step program does work. Step 1) open your radio buffer. Step 2) Highlight the tuned 200 channel. and the final, hardest, and most important step to take...Step 3) Tune the darn thing to something else!!! If anyone has any troubles doing this I can help you get to step 3...I have two treatment plans, one involves a Mag-Lite and a head, and the other involves a item that produces 50,000 volts into a nervous system. Good luck AHers  

[Zazen13]

Step 3) Tune the darn thing to something else!!! If anyone has any troubles doing this I can help you get to step 3...I have two treatment plans, one involves a Mag-Lite and a head, and the other involves a item that produces 50,000 volts into a nervous system. Good luck AHers  

That's an option, but you're actually doing the "ineffective" smack talker a favor in the long-run by "stuffing" him. If you're successful you help him "cast off" his self-delusion and cause him to really try to be "good" in earnest. Many great cartoon fighter pilots are created in this way. When you stuff one on 200, there's 50 more listening, who will also now understand the distinction between being "ineffective" and "effective" and use that information as a learning tool for self-improvement and a reason for personal constraint on 200.

[whiteman]

I never really tuned to 200 unless it was midnight, I've started tuning more cause I've had friends ask what i did because people were accusing me of using hacks or aiming some other BS at me. I don't respond much, I just like to get an idea of which people are losers.

[Anaxogoras]

The only success I have had is to give them perspective via statistical dissection of their effectiveness. Basically, if a person can't get a 1:1 K/D and K/S w/ 4+ K/H they just aren't effective,

I would say 4+k/h is a little on the high side to be effective, especially because k/h is weighted downward by a high k/d ratio.  For example, a 5:1 k/d, 1 k/s will yield k/h lower than 4, but to me that person is far more effective than someone with 1:1 k/d, 1 k/s, and 5 k/h.  The first person kills slowly but gives way more than he gets, the second kills quickly but is simply causing level attrition.

In FSO I've seen that a lot of people who are successful in the MA have a hard time changing gears, and are outperformed routinely by the practiced discipline of the conservative types.

[thrila]

I'm of the opposite opinion- 4 kills/h is rather on the low side, even for the most cautious of players. 

[Murdr]

All the time you see a "nobody" talking smack to a "well known" highly skilled player. The no name guy invariably has 0.368 K/d and 0.279 K/S w/ 1 kill every 90 minutes.

The only success I have had is to give them perspective via statistical dissection of their effectiveness. Basically, if a person can't get a 1:1 K/D and K/S w/ 4+ K/H they just aren't effective, and certainly have no basis for talking crap to anyone. It's not about score even in the slightest, it's just about being effective. If you are ineffective tour in and tour out under no circumstances should you be badmouthing people who are.

That is often my response, to highlight their lack of effectivness usually with the comment that people that can't maintain a 1:1 shouldn't be allowed to type on open channel  Though usually there is some kind of outright lie about the fight circumstances that also needs corrected.  

The guy last night claimed to squelch me when I was rather benign with my replies and then logged off.  I was really disappointed because I wanted him to tell me who I should go see in the TA?  If someone is so damn knowledgable about what goes on in the game even though they can't average 1 kill per sortie they really should be able to direct me to a skilled person who could help me "improve"  

[dedalos]

the solution is simple, a few very simple steps to take. Although for some it might be like trying to stop smoking cold turkey. You may get the shakes, maybe break out in a cold sweat, find your self raiding the fridge, get overly grumpy, find your self sleep walking, wake up and find your relieving your self on the house plant or maybe mistaking your linen trunk for a urinal, and for the more serious cases it may require some mental treatment. But this three step program does work. Step 1) open your radio buffer. Step 2) Highlight the tuned 200 channel. and the final, hardest, and most important step to take...Step 3) Tune the darn thing to something else!!! If anyone has any troubles doing this I can help you get to step 3...I have two treatment plans, one involves a Mag-Lite and a head, and the other involves a item that produces 50,000 volts into a nervous system. Good luck AHers 

Only one problem with this.  What would I be paying HT $15 a month for then?

[Murdr]

I would say 4+k/h is a little on the high side to be effective, especially because k/h is weighted downward by a high k/d ratio.  For example, a 5:1 k/d, 1 k/s will yield k/h lower than 4, but to me that person is far more effective than someone with 1:1 k/d, 1 k/s, and 5 k/h.

4 k/h seems pretty low to me.  I shot through that benchmark my third full tour.

[Zazen13]

4 k/h seems pretty low to me.  I shot through that benchmark my third full tour.
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Yea, I used to say 6/Hr. But, then when I was off work for surgery I played Euro times a lot and realized that the people that play at that time while just as skilled as their prime-time counterparts have somewhat lower K/H, especially on HUGE maps because of the very low population density causing sorties that end up being "busts" in terms of finding and killing enemy. So, to be fair to that demographic I lowered what I consider the minimum expectations of what might be considered "effective". But, definitely if you are just looking at US prime-time players 6/Hr would be the minimum effective level.

[fuzeman]

How about another ranking category, we ranks the crap we see on ch200.

Add a dot command .whine200 gameID X  . Course the .whine200 puts your comments into the score system, gameID is self explanatory [ its the noskill dweeb whining, and the X is the rating of their whine, 10 good 0 very bad.
End of the month these results are published below the rank we have now.

Na, what a stupid idea. I'm off for my 2nd cup of coffee and then its time to end some brake lines. 

[thrila]

Nice looking program Murdr, where'd you get it?

Zazen, that's very true about the euro hours, it's not often i'll log in before 6pm, because quite frankly there's not a lot going on if it's a big map.  To be honest, I've not logged many hours at all recently because of my lack of fondness for the large maps presently in LW.

[BaldEagl]

Yea, I used to say 6/Hr. But, then when I was off work for surgery I played Euro times a lot and realized that the people that play at that time while just as skilled as their prime-time counterparts have somewhat lower K/H, especially on HUGE maps because of the very low population density causing sorties that end up being "busts" in terms of finding and killing enemy. So, to be fair to that demographic I lowered what I consider the minimum expectations of what might be considered "effective". But, definitely if you are just looking at US prime-time players 6/Hr would be the minimum effective level.

This also happens if you're not a big fan of flying with, or alone against, the hoards.  It happens to me every camp as I rarely do either of the prevoiusly mentioned.  In the less populated areas of the map it takes more flying around to find a fight and yes, you do end up with some no fight sorties.  I am usually just over 4 K/H as a result (and that generally ranks me in the low to mid-1000's in K/H).