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Offline Schlowy

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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2008, 01:58:29 PM »
Quote from: B3YT on September 15, 2008, 12:33:33 PM


to quote an Americanism : What ever!

for your information the UK  would not have been "porked"  as the Luftwaffe were losing planes faster than the UK and the UK were building them faster than they were losing them.  YOU my friend are mistaken
Planned since Dunkirk, June 4th 1940... Dieppe Raid, August 19th, 1942
England France and Canada (without USA) got pwnt trying to invade France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
2years and 2months planning... Wikipedia called it a 'scheme' and a 'catastrophe'  PWNT! :rofl
I'll add to it, a COMPLETE FAILURE of the 'spitfire' LOLOL proof it suxed:lol
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if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2008, 03:42:51 PM »
Quote from: Schlowy on September 15, 2008, 01:58:29 PM
Planned since Dunkirk, June 4th 1940... Dieppe Raid, August 19th, 1942
England France and Canada (without USA) got pwnt trying to invade France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
2years and 2months planning... Wikipedia called it a 'scheme' and a 'catastrophe'  PWNT! :rofl
I'll add to it, a COMPLETE FAILURE of the 'spitfire' LOLOL proof it suxed:lol
Years of planning does nothing to say how significant of an operation or what percentage of resources were committed to it.  Yes, it failed, but to count that one operation as "England loses to war" is absurd.

Two can play at that:

El Alamein, the Germans were porked!!1!

Complete hyperbole and absurdity.
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2008, 03:53:42 PM »
Since when is a RAID an invasion? :rolleyes:

Give it a rest Scholtz.
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2008, 04:18:21 PM »
Schlowy, it would appear the point furball was making has gone straight over your head.  You've assumed that it was a slight against the 109 and 190, it wasn't.
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 04:44:27 AM »
The highest shoot-down was if my memory serves me done by a Spit V over N-Africa at 43K. Could that be right?
I have had it claimed to my face by a Spit veteran that he made it to 49K in a Spitfire IX, and I tend to rather belive him.
(I asked what he was doing there, and he said "Trying to hit 50K" :D)
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 06:29:49 AM »
Quote from: MiloMorai on September 15, 2008, 03:53:42 PM
Since when is a RAID an invasion? :rolleyes:

Give it a rest Scholtz.

*lol* Are you going to accuse everyone of being me?  :lol


Btw. technically any and all incursions into a county's territory by a hostile military force is by definition an invasion ... a raid is usually just a purposefully short lived one. (Dieppe was shorter than planned though. ;))
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 06:41:49 AM »
While Dieppe it was a disasterous raid, it did some things.
1. Some troops actually penetrated successfully and got foothold inland.  So, it showed possibility.
2. It taught lessons for Normandy in the sense of what was needed and to be avoided.
3. It clearly taught the US that getting the boot into Europe was hard. (They were pressing for an invasion which Churchill claimed to be un-executable in the timeframe).
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2008, 07:48:06 AM »
Quote from: Schlowy on September 15, 2008, 01:58:29 PM
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I'll add to it, a COMPLETE FAILURE of the 'spitfire' LOLOL proof it suxed:lol

failure of the spitfire? :huh  OK........ how much "reading" do you actually do? (p.s get fire fox it helps me with my spelling)


It was a failure in many ways but it did allow  the allies learn  vital lessons. One which many  US operation could have leant from (Scilly for example)  that loss of aircraft for the RAF was almost entirely bombers . therefore I'd like to see how that makes the spitfire suck. If that is the case then the P51 and P47 were spectacular failures as escort fighters when you look at the 8th airforce loss rates, even the 109 and 190 were also failures looking at Luftwaffe  losses at BoB .
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2008, 09:50:11 AM »
190 was not in the BoB.
And after the BoB the RAF was doing naughty missions into German-held territory with those "crap" Spitfires.
The Spitty was a success,and turned out to be a very fine and versatile aircraft. So was the 109. So was the P51.....and so many others....
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2008, 09:53:38 AM »
yeah I know the 190 wasn't in BoB . was 6 months after in early 1941 the 190 saw first missions over east Anglia. just showing the little twerp  how silly he sounds with his arguments . OOO you forgot to mension the very nought Photo Recon spits that flew very high and fast ; taking ickle pictures of the Germans ready for the other spitfires and mossies to attack later that day .
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 10:17:20 AM »
Does anyone actually know if the Germans penetrated into the Southern Coast? The only thing I found online was a report from the RAF that they had their V1 Interception tactics down and thus by default it was nigh Impossible for a German Aircraft to get up and down the Southern Coast. I have trouble beliving that the Germans could not penetrate Allied Airspace by then,Or maybe they actuallt did, I'm sure someone will have an account for us.
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2008, 10:24:15 AM »
Karnak has arrived, 10,000+ -posts... with a mossie in his sig...

A brilliant correlation I just realized... I was sitting here having my coffee and toast...
*A planes performance is directly proportional to the total number of posts of a plane sig'ed player*
Data set A: player with a 190 in sig gets a total of 10 posts before he is banned = 190 sux in game
Data set B: player with a mossie in sig gets a total 10,000+ posts and not banned = mossie rules in game
(drum roll)
Me bets this function is linear... brilliance, Imma win the nobel prize! :rofl

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Did what I put really bother you? let me put it again :lol
Proof the spitty suxed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
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if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2008, 10:38:56 AM »
You are weird.

I neither claim the Mossie sucks in the game nor do I claim it rules.  It could be better, but they chose to model it with dampers.  How that relates to Fw190s I do not know.


I find it funny how some people are so nationalistic about this hobby.  So much so that they have to insist that aircraft X from nation Y has to have sucked in order to validate their liking aircraft A from nation B.  I have seen in mostly from fans of British, German and American aircraft.  I am sure if we had more English speaking Russian and Japanese players we'd hear it about their aircraft too.


Would the UK have mounted a successful invasion of Europe without the US?  No, I highly doubt it.

Could Germany have successfully invaded the UK?  No, I highly doubt it.


Had the US not got into the European War, the Soviet Union would have eventually beaten Germany.  There is a chance the UK could have saved France and Belgium from inclusion in the Soviet Union by invading them at the last moment, but that is about it.
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2008, 10:41:54 AM »
Quote from: Schlowy on September 16, 2008, 10:24:15 AM
Data set A: player with a 190 in sig gets a total of 10 posts before he is banned = 190 sux in game

So you've been banned before?  i'm completely bewildered why you are flying off the handle when you perceive something to be a criticism of the 109/190.
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Re: German reconnaissance efforts against Britain- 1943-1944
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2008, 10:43:22 AM »
Well. if you keep trolling that much, the doomsday PNG will hit you mighty soon.
As for Dieppe, bear in mind that the RAF is there over German held turf in daylight, which was not the case on the other side in daylight after the fall of 1940. Germans did never CAP over british turf after the BoB  :devil
BTW, I personally knew some who were at Dieppe. Tough fight. Odd that the LW had their best over..there  :devil
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