No Reson to whine about NO Furballin anymore

[Shifty]

i did... 

LOL true. Maybe the Return of Shane has scared off all the regulars. 

[VonMessa]

Or maybe the "switch to tcp" and loss of vox on our squad nights.................

 

[Shifty]

Or maybe the "switch to tcp" and loss of vox on our squad nights.................

 

I thought not hearing you was an improvement? 

[dedalos]

Aw well hell N7 let's kick up some dust then!

If the AVA is lame and empty in it's current format why don't the uber men come in and show all the cripples how it's done?

How?  No one was flying.  And when they do, once they know that you can take them on even 4 vs 1 the just leave.

If the Arena is setup for a war it's populated for a few weeks by war fighters then goes dead.

True, even the toolsheders think it is borring

If it's setup for normal AVA furballs it's populated for a few weeks and goes dead...

Wrong, there were always people there.  Not 100s, but always some.  And even when it was only 4, they were there to fight

So what makes one group lamer than the other?

The choice of game play. 

[TheBug]

So what in this current setup limits the ability of people to come in and just furball with people that desire the same thing. 

Turning on capture and GVs suddenly warps the minds of all these people that use to be in the AvA and they stop furballing.

I don't get what is so different and think you're making more of it than there is.

[VonMessa]

Shhhhh!

 

[Shifty]

Wrong, there were always people there.  Not 100s, but always some. 

No I've seen it dead ZERO people on nights when there was no war but a regular AVA setup. This was just recently before thie current war.

And even when it was only 4, they were there to fight

I'm always there to fight, my skill level may not match up to some of you guys, but I'm there to fight war or no war.
Probably more guys than you think are there to fight. It's not just the guys that scream everything and everybody is lame that like to fight.

[Oldman731]

Wrong, there were always people there.  Not 100s, but always some.  And even when it was only 4, they were there to fight

Simply not so, Dedalos, especially in the autumn of last year.  There were many nights when I was the only one flying around in the AvA during prime time, hoping someone - anyone - would stop in to fight.  Why people stopped coming might be debated forever - lord knows, it was hotly debated at the time.  The dearth of "traditional" AvA players, the nearly constant deserted state of the arena, and the complaints of many people that the AvA had become a private playground for a closed club of duelists, were the main reasons behind Fork's invention of The War.

The...um...coordinated group flying styles that work best in a war-winning game drove most of the old regulars away.  I understand that (although I'm not sure that there was A Better Place for them to run away to); but Bug's point in this thread is true:  If you want to come in and have some dedicated fights, there's absolutely nothing standing in your way.  Bug's current campaign series has retained the war goals that interest many people; but I think he's done a pretty good job of de-emphasizing the need to amass a body count of bases, or to thoroughly overwhelm a strat target.  (For example, look at Drack's post in another thread here, the one where he says "stop taking bases.")  The old style fights are still here to be had.

Having said that, I'm just a bit disappointed that many of the folks who criticized the old AvA, and who were most excited about The War, don't seem to be flying in the arena these days.  Would be good to get some input on that.

- oldman

[dedalos]

No I've seen it dead ZERO people on nights when there was no war but a regular AVA setup. This was just recently before thie current war.

That is true.  I was talking about before the staff chased away the regulars in hopes to bring in numbers.  I now go in the AvA once a month out of curiosity.  Don't expect to chase some one away and then have them come back when it is convenient. 

To tell you the truth, even changing it back wont help now.  The guys that used to be there have been absorbed by the E and M WA, the MA and the DA.

[dedalos]

Having said that, I'm just a bit disappointed that many of the folks who criticized the old AvA, and who were most excited about The War, don't seem to be flying in the arena these days.  Would be good to get some input on that.

- oldman

Boring?

No private or exclusive fights OM.  Just looking for fights.  They were there back then.  Even when only 2 guys were in the arena.  Now, they just hide.  Do a search of your own posts.  It was repeatedly stated that changes were needed in order to bring the AvA numbers up

[dedalos]

I understand that (although I'm not sure that there was A Better Place for them to run away to);
- oldman

Yeah    I wonder where we all went.  Where could we possibly find a 190 to chase for 3 sectors

[Shifty]

That is true.  I was talking about before the staff chased away the regulars in hopes to bring in numbers.  I now go in the AvA once a month out of curiosity.  Don't expect to chase some one away and then have them come back when it is convenient. 

I don't know about the staff chasing anybody out. I just don't see how that's possible. I think a few people are PO'd about changes, took their ball and went somewhere else. The current war is an attempt to appeal to both sides Ded. There should be no reason for some of the old timers to come in a clean clocks.
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[Chilli]

My 2 cents:  Take down this forum and let us duke it out in the arena    But seriously, Dedalos I have had some of the best times recently flying with the guys that regularly visit the AvA now (too numerous to name).  The staff has done an outstanding job of listening to the comments of "regular" AvA participants and responding with new setups. 

What most "casual" AvA players don't recognize, is that once 3 or more players (balanced and flying) in the arena for more than 30 minutes quickly draws the attraction of more and more players.  My old theory, "If you play it, they will come" has proven me right more times than not.  No one wants to sit in an empty arena for more than a couple of minutes, unless there is something to do like "tool shed" or "land grab" but we mostly all enjoy an active arena, where you can pick your style that most suits you.

TheBug and staff have been extremely vigilant in keeping things balanced and moving.  I think that it is now time for the players to adjust their attitudes.

I don't like the way my sports car's transmission is geared for 1st gear, so I adjust my driving, and enjoy the heck out of the general performance.    (my weak attempt at analogy)

[potsNpans]

..."TheBug and staff have been extremely vigilant in keeping things balanced and moving.  I think that it is now time for the players to adjust their attitudes..." Posted by: Chilli
Well said. Too bad Axis hasn't had the numbers on this war, and it certainly too bad I missed the good ol' day's of the AvA! Always a day late and a dollar short, still I find myself enjoying the ride even when Dedalos smacks me around in D-11 several times in a row. 

[Slash27]

That is true.  I was talking about before the staff chased away the regulars in hopes to bring in numbers.  I now go in the AvA once a month out of curiosity.  Don't expect to chase some one away and then have them come back when it is convenient. 

To tell you the truth, even changing it back wont help now.  The guys that used to be there have been absorbed by the E and M WA, the MA and the DA.

So if we chased you away how is that a problem?