Republicans really need a black candidate because

[Fulmar]

An upper middle class Californian family moved into my neighbourhood 3 months ago. We were pleasantly surprised when they decided to send their son to the local state primary school. They were amazed at the diversity and level of Integration in London with an abscence of Ghetto,s. They said they had made more firends in that three months in the neighbourhood than in five years back home. Its anecdotal of course (look it up) but I suspect there is very little net immigration either way.

Oh man, not a single American family!  What are we to do?!  I mean I could give you the example of my ex brother-in-law who was a born Frenchman and moved here in his mid 20's.  He's told me multiple times he enjoys America much more than he did living in France, with the exception of lacking real soccer leagues.

But one example shouldn't sway your opinion

[FrodeMk3]

How about electing the candidate who is plain and simple, the most qualified, and most willing to work, FOR THE PEOPLE.

Not found in either the GOP or the DNC anymore.

[Flatbar]

oh, boy.

If yah can't spell harbor, center or vote in our election, yer banana opinion is rendered fabulously mute.

Care for a crumpet wif yer cuppa tea, mate?

If you can't spell moot then your argument is also moot.

[sluggish]

If you can't spell moot then your argument is also moot.

As I read it he was rendering the opinion silenced therefore the spelling is correct...

[bongaroo]

Why you think it needs to be about race just proves that you harbor a racist attitude.  Race should have nothing to do with it.  It should be solely about the candidate.  If a person comes before us for election and we deem that person to be qualified to serve our interests, then we vote for that person.  If enough fellow citizens agree and vote the same, than that person is elected to the office they are running for.

As for the American Dream, it is alive and well.  You just have to follow through on your half of the deal; Work for it!  That's something that you socialist leaning "left of centers" seem to always forget and are perpetually chastising those that do.

If you don't work for it, you don't deserve it.  Anyone that comes to America legally or is born here has the chance to achieve the American Dream, it just requires that instead of holding your hands out, you use those hands to work for it.

And a response that says race has nothing to do with it seems to point that "left of centers" are all welfare recepients.  And that leads me to believe you have a stereotype in mind for who recieves welfare.  Hmmmmmmmm....

[Mojava]

So much for the American Dream

   I believe Obama is a testament to the American Dream being alive and well.  Doesn't matter if he gets elected or not.  

[Hangtime]

An upper middle class Californian family moved into my neighbourhood 3 months ago. We were pleasantly surprised when they decided to send their son to the local state primary school. They were amazed at the diversity and level of Integration in London with an abscence of Ghetto,s. They said they had made more firends in that three months in the neighbourhood than in five years back home. Its anecdotal of course (look it up) but I suspect there is very little net immigration either way.

I'll swap your upper middle class american expat family for the disadvantaged black guy that moved in down the block, from London last year. He arrived with a suitcase... nothing else. My disadvantaged black brit (the accent is a hoot.. introducing him to BBQ was nothing short of hilarious) is applying for citizenship and if all goes well will not ever be going 'home'. Tell me.. your expat american pals.. giving up their US citizenship? Or just working for the UK office of the breadwinners company?

Your 'example' is laughable.

A spot of jam for your crumpet, m'lord?

[Bodhi]

Have you just taken your citizenship test?

Logic Dictates then people in the more mobile northeren European Countries work harder as they achive more from humble begginings according to your reasoning despite being hamstrung by socialism. At the same time they enjoy greater economic equality and free health care. 

In other words the American Dream works best in moderately socialist countries in Europe. 

I do not need to take a citizenship test.  I was born and raised to parents that were born here.  My great grand parents did go through Ellis Island when they came over.  They were able to achieve their American Dream through hard work and determination.

Just to remind you:

The American Dream is not about giving out freebies to those that want to be socialized and live off the government and by default, the tax payer. As I said before, the American Dream is all about you being able to be the best that you can be provided you work for it.  That is in direct contradiction to socialism.  It is also about everyone being equal, man and woman.  The only inequality that exists in this country is that which people make for themselves.  That in and of itself is a far cry from the caste system that exists in England and other socialist leaning countries.

[Holden McGroin]

Just to remind you:

The American Dream is not about giving out freebies to those that want to be socialized and live off the government and by default, the tax payer. As I said before, the American Dream is all about you being able to be the best that you can be provided you work for it.  

Best put down 232 years ago by Thomas Jefferson.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The right to pursue, not to achieve.  That is up to you.

[Hazzer]

 Just to let you know that "Harbour" is the correct spelling in the UK.

[Hangtime]

I'll remember that when I post a diatribe on racism in the UK on a UK BBS.

[Baitman]

Just to let you know that "Harbour" is the correct spelling in the UK.

Same as the spelling of Colour is correct.

[Hangtime]

yup. sez so right here in my 'brit for boneheads' catalogue. pardon me whilst I kick it to the kerb.

[Yarbles]

Best put down 232 years ago by Thomas Jefferson.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The right to pursue, not to achieve.  That is up to you.

As long as you were white

[Yarbles]

 It is also about everyone being equal, man and woman.  The only inequality that exists in this country is that which people make for themselves.  That in and of itself is a far cry from the caste system that exists in England and other socialist leaning countries.

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British and US social mobility is comprable and in both coutries people secure huge advantages for their Children through expensive exclusive private education so wrong on both counts.

I have to say there are allot of great things about the US but as with all nations there is a gulf between the American Dream and the American reality. The facts suggest rags to riches is at least as common in coutries with free health services, high standards of public education and believe it or not excellent welfare provision.