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Offline Yarbles

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2008, 01:55:01 PM »
I'll remember that when I post a diatribe on racism in the UK on a UK BBS.

Have you got anything inteligent to say on this or any other subject? If you have I would be very interested to hear it.

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2008, 01:57:03 PM »




The American Dream is not about giving out freebies to those that want to be socialized and live off the government and by default, the tax payer. As I said before, the American Dream is all about you being able to be the best that you can be provided you work for it.  That is in direct contradiction to socialism.  It is also about everyone being equal, man and woman.  The only inequality that exists in this country is that which people make for themselves.  

Very far out of touch on this one bhodi. You sound like you're saying people wish to live in poverty, and that poverty only exists in this country because people choose to live that way.  In a society like ours, we must be smart enough to realise that all of our standards are not going to apply equally.  There are a multitude of health issues, mental health issues, and cultural/socieoeconomic issues that place many on a basement floor looking up at the poverty level.  What then do we do with these people?  Kill them?  Watch them starve?  Watch their children starve?  Of course our system must be able to weed out those who abuse it, but we can't even do that with govenrment corruption.  We have no problem helping millions around the world where we have business or political interests involved, but you let an american citizen need help and its all hell broke loose from the right!
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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2008, 02:05:47 PM »
Very far out of touch on this one bhodi. You sound like you're saying people wish to live in poverty, and that poverty only exists in this country because people choose to live that way.  In a society like ours, we must be smart enough to realise that all of our standards are not going to apply equally.  There are a multitude of health issues, mental health issues, and cultural/socio0economic issues that place many on a basement floor looking up at the poverty level.  What then do we do with these people?  Kill them?  Watch them starve?  Watch their children starve?  Of course our system must be able to weed out those who abuse it, but we can't even do that with gavenrment corruption.  We have no problem helping millions around the world where we have business or political interests involved, but you let an american citizen need help and its all hell broke loose from the right!

The world needs ditch diggers too.

Mandate everyone a four year degree and you'll have people with a four year degree digging ditches.

All of this neighborliness that you speak of is for churches, charities, community organizations and yes, neighbors, not the gubment.  If they redistributed less of my earnings, myself and many like me would be much more likely to give more than we already do.

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2008, 02:26:23 PM »
As long as you were white :rofl

When Jefferson wrote that, he was living in the British Empire.  An empire that supported slavery.  An empire that beat the USA to outlawing slavery by a mere 30 years... or was it 40... 1825 +/- IIRC.
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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2008, 02:33:28 PM »
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British and US social mobility is comprable and in both coutries people secure huge advantages for their Children through expensive exclusive private education so wrong on both counts.

That is incorrect.  I paid for my own education through student loans.  I completed payment of the loans seven years after college.  I went to both private and public universities and colleges.  Most of my friends are also in the same boat... ie. THEY paid for their own educations through hard work earlier in school (ie. scholarships) and working their way through school.


I have to say there are allot of great things about the US but as with all nations there is a gulf between the American Dream and the American reality. The facts suggest rags to riches is at least as common in coutries with free health services, high standards of public education and believe it or not excellent welfare provision.

The fact of the American Dream that I feel you are missing is that it is there for everyone.  No one is prevented from achieving it unless they can not do it on their own.  Whether it be they are not intellectually smart enough, can not put the puzzle together, or just can not seem to figure out the hard work and sacrifice part.  Keep in mind also that the American Dream does not state that everyone is going to be rich and life will be all grand for all.  It only states that the all Americans who wish, shall have the right to work hard and prosper, free from injustice and inequality.

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2008, 02:36:25 PM »
so yarbles.... why do you suppose that so many of your countrymen leave your socialist paradise and move to the US and so few Americans ever go to live in your country?

Every brit I have talked to who lives here now says it is 10 times better here.   I was in london.. it was just as big a crap hole as new york city.   as for your "free medical"  I saw more young people with rotting teeth than I could imagine.. that was what struck me the most.. that and how everyone smoked and of course.. the lousy weather.

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2008, 02:45:40 PM »
Very far out of touch on this one bhodi. You sound like you're saying people wish to live in poverty, and that poverty only exists in this country because people choose to live that way.  In a society like ours, we must be smart enough to realise that all of our standards are not going to apply equally.  There are a multitude of health issues, mental health issues, and cultural/socieoeconomic issues that place many on a basement floor looking up at the poverty level.  What then do we do with these people?  Kill them?  Watch them starve?  Watch their children starve?  Of course our system must be able to weed out those who abuse it, but we can't even do that with govenrment corruption.  We have no problem helping millions around the world where we have business or political interests involved, but you let an american citizen need help and its all hell broke loose from the right!


I am not against helping people.  I am against socialism and marxists.  

The Government is here to serve the people, not to serve itself.  The fact remains that there are people who through mental or physical defect will always need some sort of assistance from the rest of us.  That is our duty to provide such assistance.  There are also those that choose not to participate in the American Dream.  It is not based on color, but instead on the the willingness of the person to effect change in their life.  Whether you are born a dirt poor farmer's kid or a dirt poor ghetto kid means nothing.  There is ALWAYS oppurtunity for those that wish to go above and beyond to better themselves.  

It is when Socialists and Marxists preach their ideology of people relying on the government to take care of them that you get the problem that we have now.  People become complacent with receiving government handouts.  So much so, that entire generations of people choose to know nothing more.  That is the fault of the socialists and marxists in this country.  They have created a population that is reliant on government handouts.  

Instead, look at social conservatives.  These people believe in the simple fact that the Government exists to protect the Constitution and protect us from enemies foreign and domestic.  They also believe that a person has every right to keep most of what they earn instead of giving it to those that choose not to work.  That is not saying there should be no goverment aid programs, just that that aid be administered properly and justly.  

In the end, I think our Government has failed us in protecting us from enemies within.  Socialists and Marxists will bring about the downfall of this country if they continue to grow unabated.

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2008, 02:51:19 PM »
What does socialism have to do with helping people?

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2008, 03:14:17 PM »
The world needs ditch diggers too.

Mandate everyone a four year degree and you'll have people with a four year degree digging ditches.

All of this neighborliness that you speak of is for churches, charities, community organizations and yes, neighbors, not the gubment.  If they redistributed less of my earnings, myself and many like me would be much more likely to give more than we already do.
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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2008, 03:18:50 PM »
We(our government) has a responsibility to our own people. :aok

No...  no... you have it backwards. We the people have responsibility for our government.
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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
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 to keep most of what they earn instead of giving it to those that choose not to work.    




What do you think the percentage of people who get aid is, that actually do want to work?

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2008, 03:28:30 PM »
The reason why the black voting base will NEVER really vote for a Conservative is that the Democratic Party has made slaves out of them.
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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2008, 03:29:32 PM »
What do you think the percentage of people who get aid is, that actually do want to work?

I know of many that do not wish to work.  Actual statistics... where are you going to find those. 
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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2008, 03:51:05 PM »
I know of many that do not wish to work.  Actual statistics... where are you going to find those. 
I've been working in the hood for 5 years now, and I believe in most of the people.  In a weird way, I think having a black president might be the answer, sort of a legitimacy to the people, like they actually belong and it's their tax dollars now that are getting spent.  But then again, who should that person be?  I don't like Obamatwit, he just looks to much like a weenie. 
Oh well, I have no answers for the problem but I do find many are good folks with good intentions and care deeply for their childrena and want them to do right and be successful :aok.

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Re: Republicans really need a black candidate because
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2008, 03:58:38 PM »
I don't like Obamatwit, he just looks to much like a weenie. 

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