Message from Chuck...

[Hangtime]

"There are lies, damn lies and statistics.  Per capita federal spending is a statistic that can be bent and twisted to say whatever one wants it to say."

game... set.

*yawn*

[bongaroo]

"There are lies, damn lies and statistics.  Per capita federal spending is a statistic that can be bent and twisted to say whatever one wants it to say."

game... set.

*yawn*

way to contribute buddy!   


 

[Hangtime]

LOL.. yup. Guilty. I got nuthin. Just spectatin and cheerleading this one.

...care for a bag of nuts?

[bongaroo]

No thank you, any beer though?

[Hangtime]

How 'bout a Sam Adams... gotta rack in the kitchen concentration camp, chillin and just begging for freedom...

[Chalenge]

How 'bout a Sam Adams... gotta rack in the kitchen concentration camp, chillin and just begging for freedom...

Now your talking my language! 

[Hangtime]

rgr, two up; 4 on deck.

[Elfie]

Iced tea for me, but hold the sugar please. Can toss in a bit of Splenda if ya have it though.

[Holden McGroin]

Quote from: Holden McGroin on Yesterday at 04:11:07 PM
State Game Wardens can cite me for fishing or hunting illegally in a national forest.

Not unless feds hired them to do that.

Listen, per capita spending is a good measure. And before you go too deep into your statistics, federal lands are managed by BLM, NPS, NFS, USDFW, DOD, etc. Alaskans don't have to spend $$ for federal lands. In fact they greatly benefit from those (jobs, mining, oil, fish, game, forestry).

Point is, on top of all the goodies they have, they get subsidies which they don't need and as such ripping off the rest of US.

1. Do the feds hire local governments for law enforcement or game regulation as you assert?  yes

2. Does it cost the locals money to do that?  yes

3. Do the feds pay for that service? yes

4. Does that increase "federal subsides (to the states) that they don't need"? yes

5. Is it a contradiction for you to assert that feds hire out services and then pay for them and then assert that they do not need to pay for them? yes

[Elfie]

Quote from: Holden McGroin on Yesterday at 04:11:07 PM
State Game Wardens can cite me for fishing or hunting illegally in a national forest.

1. Do the feds hire local governments for law enforcement or game regulation as you assert?  yes

2. Does it cost the locals money to do that?  yes

3. Do the feds pay for that service? yes

4. Does that increase "federal subsides (to the states) that they don't need"? yes

5. Is it a contradiction for you to assert that feds hire out services and then pay for them and then assert that they do not need to pay for them? yes

The Department of Fish and Game in Alaska does a lot of their patrolling with aircraft. I'd hazard a guess and say that requires a ton of money and that the feds probably fund a substantial portion of that.

[2bighorn]

Quote from: Holden McGroin on Yesterday at 04:11:07 PM
State Game Wardens can cite me for fishing or hunting illegally in a national forest.

1. Do the feds hire local governments for law enforcement or game regulation as you assert?  yes

2. Does it cost the locals money to do that?  yes

3. Do the feds pay for that service? yes

4. Does that increase "federal subsides (to the states) that they don't need"? yes

5. Is it a contradiction for you to assert that feds hire out services and then pay for them and then assert that they do not need to pay for them? yes

When will you understand that those are budgeted separately. For example if BLM pays state of Alaska for some services that's in BLM budget and not included in federal subsidies.

Here, just few nuggets: Do you think Alaska needs grant for "State Criminal Alien Assistance Program"? or maybe $25,000,000 for housing choice vouchers, which is enough to pay full rent for 10% of Alaskan households?
Or $1,433,462 for agricultural basic and applied research when agriculture makes for 0.1% of US total, yet California gets only $4,460,073 from the same grant and it feeds more than half of America...

[Holden McGroin]

Here, just few nuggets: Do you think Alaska needs grant for "State Criminal Alien Assistance Program"?

Is that assistance in enforcement of federal immigration policy?  If so, yes it needs it, as all states do. Feds should pay to enforce federal law.

Or $1,433,462 for agricultural basic and applied research when agriculture makes for 0.1% of US total, yet California gets only $4,460,073 from the same grant and it feeds more than half of America...

Seems to me that California already knows how to farm pretty well, and besides, they are tearing down orchards to make new housing, so we will have to grow food someplace else soon anyway. Is the 1,433,462 just a million and a half dollars? or is there a few zeros missing.  The US govt wastes more than that on rubber bands for offices.

I pay property tax on my home, even though I pay for upkeep, I mow the lawn, I pay for... you know? It costs the local government nothing to keep my house up.  I pay thousands and get nothing for it.  wait... it pays for schools... but I have no children attending.

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Why should the largest and richest landowner in my county not contribute to the property tax burden in my county?
 

[Holden McGroin]

In FY 2005, Alaska received $1.87 in federal expenditures for every dollar it paid.

New Mexico recieved 2.00, Hawaii, 1.60; SD, 1.60; MT, 1.58; WV, 1.83; ND, 1.73; MS, 1.77; VA, 1.66

Oregon received 0.97; CA, 0.79; NH, 0.67; IL 0.73 

AK was ranked second in this number, but in line with some other big, rural western states, as well as Al, MS, WV, and VA

[2bighorn]

Why should the largest and richest landowner in my county not contribute to the property tax burden in my county?

Do you understand what 'public domain' means?

Do you know why the borders between states are drawn as they are no matter the federal lands?

Since you're from Oregon, are you familiar with Donation Land Act?

[Holden McGroin]

Do you understand what 'public domain' means?

It means somebody from New Jersey tells Oregonians what we can do in Oregon.

>> Oh yeah, and it means the largest and richest landowner in my county does not contribute to the property tax burden in my county.