501 group stooping to new lows..

[crockett]

Ever hear the phrase, a few bad apples spoils the entire barrel? Sounds like in the case of this bill, a few bad apples spoiled the entire barrel. It still shouldn't have been passed with the deregulation issues.

Yes but just like the patriot act for example.. Many politicians will vote for something because they are led to believe it is a good bill. I mean lets get real here, when you are talking thousands of pages of legislation you can't expect anyone to know everything that's in it.

The patriot act had some good parts in it but had many bad that were unconstitutional. While that's extreme example because the Patriot Act should have never been signed into law, it just goes to show how easy it is to push through the bad with the good.

That's part of the bigger issue and IMO we shouldn't have these bills with all these riders attached. Congress should be voting on each item separately and I do support the line item veto idea the Clinton signed into law, even though it was later ruled to be unconstitutional. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raines_v._Byrd) Oddly enough it wasn't on the grounds of the law it's self being unconstitutional but more about procedures.

[crockett]

Yah.. without rapacious limits like regulations the banks helped themselves to the public's money, failed and got helped out by the public's money. Duh.

Greed. Democratic, Republican, Corporate greed. Get over it crockett. Yer boys are just as dirty as the other teams.

Now, the real question is; what's the Fed really up to?

The Fed it up to the same thing they have always been up to.. figuring out the best way to ruin this country.

[Holden McGroin]

If you mean the repeal of Glass-Steagall, then I wonder if you might remember who sponsored that bill? "Put in place by the Clinton Administration" is a complete stretch. Clinton signed the bill... the republiclowns came up with it.

Hollings, Ernest [D] was the only demo senator to vote for it, the bill passing on a largely partisan vote in the Senate.

In the House, the following democrats voted for the bill: Neil Abercrombie, Gary Ackerman, Thomas Allen, Robert Andrews, Brian Baird, John Baldacci, Tammy Baldwin, James Barcia, Thomas Barrett, Xavier Becerra, Kenneth Bentsen, Shelley Berkley, Howard Berman, Marion Berry, Sanford Bishop, Rod Blagojevich, Earl Blumenauer, David Bonior, Bob Borski, Leonard Boswell, Rick Boucher, Allen Boyd, Robert Brady, Corrine Brown, Sherrod Brown, Lois Capps, Michael Capuano, Ben Cardin, Julia Carson, William Clay, Eva Clayton, Bob Clement, James Clyburn, Gary Condit, John Conyers, Jerry Costello, William Coyne, Bud Cramer, Joseph Crowley, Elijah Cummings, Pat Danner, Jim Davis, Danny Davis, Peter DeFazio, Diana DeGette, Rosa DeLauro, William Delahunt, Peter Deutsch, Norman Dicks, John Dingell, Julian Dixon, Lloyd Doggett, Calvin Dooley, Michael Doyle, Chet Edwards, Eliot Engel, Anna Eshoo, Bob Etheridge, Lane Evans, Sam Farr, Chaka Fattah, Bob Filner, Harold Ford, Barney Frank, Martin Frost, Samuel Gejdenson, Richard Gephardt, Charles Gonzalez, Virgil Goode, Bart Gordon, Luis Gutierrez, Tony Hall, Ralph Hall, Alcee Hastings, Baron Hill, Earl Hilliard, Maurice Hinchey, Ruben Hinojosa, Joe Hoeffel, Tim Holden, Rush Holt, Darlene Hooley, Steny Hoyer, Jay Inslee, Jesse Jackson, Sheila Jackson-Lee, William Jefferson, Chris John, Eddie Johnson, Stephanie Jones, Paul Kanjorski, Marcy Kaptur, Patrick Kennedy, Dale Kildee, Carolyn Kilpatrick, Ron Kind, Gerald Kleczka, Ron Klink, Dennis Kucinich, John LaFalce, Nicholas Lampson, Tom Lantos, John Larson, Barbara Lee, Sander Levin, John Lewis, Zoe Lofgren, Nita Lowey, Ken Lucas, Bill Luther, James Maloney, Carolyn Maloney, Edward Markey, Matthew Mart�-nez, Frank Mascara, Robert Matsui, Karen McCarthy, Carolyn McCarthy, Jim McDermott, James McGovern, Mike McIntyre, Cynthia McKinney, Michael McNulty, Martin Meehan, Carrie Meek, Gregory Meeks, Robert Menendez, Juanita Millender-McDonald, George Miller, David Minge, Patsy Mink, Joe Moakley, Alan Mollohan, Dennis Moore, James Moran, John Murtha, Jerrold Nadler, Grace Napolitano, Richard Neal, James Oberstar, David Obey, John Olver, Solomon Ortiz, Major Owens, Frank Pallone, Bill Pascrell, Ed Pastor, Donald Payne, Collin Peterson, David Phelps, Owen Pickett, Earl Pomeroy, David Price, Nick Rahall, Charles Rangel, Silvestre Reyes, Lynn Rivers, Ciro Rodriguez, Tim Roemer, Steven Rothman, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Bobby Rush, Martin Sabo, Loretta Sanchez, Max Sandlin, Thomas Sawyer, Jan Schakowsky, Robert Scott, Jose Serrano, Brad Sherman, Ronnie Shows, Norman Sisisky, Ike Skelton, Louise Slaughter, Adam Smith, Vic Snyder, John Spratt, Debbie Stabenow, Pete Stark, Charles Stenholm, Ted Strickland, Bart Stupak, John Tanner, Ellen Tauscher, Gene Taylor, Mike Thompson, Bennie Thompson, Karen Thurman, John Tierney, Edolphus Towns, Jim Traficant, Jim Turner, Mark Udall, Tom Udall, Nydia Velazquez, Bruce Vento, Peter Visclosky, Maxine Waters, Melvin Watt, Henry Waxman, Anthony Weiner, Robert Wexler, Robert Weygand, Bob Wise, Lynn Woolsey, David Wu, Al Wynn

Nancy Pelosi did not vote one way or the other.

[Holden McGroin]

To be fair, the following republicans thought it was a good idea too:

Robert Aderholt, Bill Archer, Dick Armey, Spencer Bachus, Richard Baker, Cass Ballenger, Bob Barr, William Barrett, Roscoe Bartlett, Joe Barton, Charles Bass, Herbert Bateman, Doug Bereuter, Judith Biggert, Brian Bilbray, Michael Bilirakis, Thomas Bliley, Roy Blunt, Sherwood Boehlert, John Boehner, Henry Bonilla, Mary Bono, Kevin Brady, Ed Bryant, Richard Burr, Dan Burton, Steve Buyer, Sonny Callahan, Ken Calvert, Dave Camp, Tom Campbell, Charles Canady, Chris Cannon, Michael Castle, Steve Chabot, Saxby Chambliss, Helen Chenoweth-Hage, Howard Coble, Tom Coburn, Mac Collins, Larry Combest, Merrill Cook, John Cooksey, Christopher Cox, Phil Crane, Barbara Cubin, Randy 'Duke' Cunningham, Tom Davis, Tom DeLay, Jim DeMint, Nathan Deal, Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Jay Dickey, John Doolittle, David Dreier, John 'Jimmy' Duncan, Jennifer Dunn, Vernon Ehlers, Robert Ehrlich, Jo Ann Emerson, Philip English, Terry Everett, Thomas Ewing, Ernest Fletcher, Mark Foley, Michael Forbes, Tillie Fowler, Bob Franks, Rodney Frelinghuysen, Elton Gallegly, Greg Ganske, George Gekas, Jim Gibbons, Wayne Gilchrest, Paul Gillmor, Benjamin Gilman, Bob Goodlatte, William Goodling, Porter Goss, Lindsey Graham, Kay Granger, Mark Green, James Greenwood, Gilbert Gutknecht, James Hansen, Doc Hastings, Robin Hayes, J.D. Hayworth, Joel Hefley, Wally Herger, Rick Hill, Van Hilleary, David Hobson, Peter Hoekstra, Steve Horn, John Hostettler, Amo Houghton, Kenny Hulshof, Duncan Hunter, Asa Hutchinson, Henry Hyde, Johnny Isakson, Ernest Istook, William Jenkins, Nancy Johnson, Sam Johnson, Walter Jones, John Kasich, Sue Kelly, Peter King, Jack Kingston, Joe Knollenberg, Jim Kolbe, Steven Kuykendall, Ray LaHood, Steven LaTourette, Steve Largent, Tom Latham, Rick Lazio, James Leach, Jerry Lewis, Ron Lewis, John Linder, Frank LoBiondo, Frank Lucas, Donald Manzullo, Bill McCollum, Jim McCrery, John McHugh, Scott McInnis, David McIntosh, Buck McKeon, Jack Metcalf, John Mica, Dan Miller, Gary Miller, Jerry Moran, Constance Morella, Sue Myrick, George Nethercutt, Robert Ney, Anne Northup, Charles Norwood, Jim Nussle, Doug Ose, Michael Oxley, Ronald Packard, Ed Pease, John Peterson, Thomas Petri, Chip Pickering, Joe Pitts, Richard Pombo, John Porter, Rob Portman, Deborah Pryce, Jack Quinn, George Radanovich, Jim Ramstad, Ralph Regula, Thomas Reynolds, Bob Riley, James Rogan, Hal Rogers, Dana Rohrabacher, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Margaret Roukema, Edward Royce, Paul Ryan, Jim Ryun, Matthew Salmon, Mark Sanford, Jim Saxton, Joe Scarborough, Bob Schaffer, Jim Sensenbrenner, Pete Sessions, John Shadegg, Clay Shaw, Christopher Shays, Don Sherwood, John Shimkus, Bud Shuster, Michael Simpson, Joe Skeen, Nick Smith, Christopher Smith, Lamar Smith, Mark Souder, Floyd Spence, Cliff Stearns, Bob Stump, John Sununu, John Sweeney, Jim Talent, Tom Tancredo, Billy Tauzin, Charles Taylor, Lee Terry, Bill Thomas, Mac Thornberry, John Thune, Todd Tiahrt, Pat Toomey, Fred Upton, David Vitter, Greg Walden, Zachary Wamp, Wesley Watkins, J.C. Watts, Dave Weldon, Curt Weldon, Jerry Weller, Ed Whitfield, Roger Wicker, Heather Wilson, Frank Wolf, Don Young, Bill Young

Of anyone in the House, only Ron Paul voted no

[midnight Target]

Who passed the bill MT?

Hey, see anybody in there that has/had aspirations to run for the Executive Branch?  

It's absolutely, unequivocably clear that this bill had the support of all but 10 Senators. BOTH PARTIES were in the tank on this one.

MT, I accept your apology. I know it must sting.

So if only those 38 Dems voted against it... no wait... it would have passed anyway. You all are pretty funny, in a hypocritical kind of way. The Clinton prosperity was all due to the Rep congress in the 90's, but the crash of 2008 was all about the President back in 1999. You gotta laugh.

[Elfie]

So if only those 38 Dems voted against it... no wait... it would have passed anyway.

The point Toad was making was that out of 100 Senators......only 10 didn't vote for it. Of those 90 that did, 38 were democrats. So the democrats and republicans share the blame.

[Toad]

Don't read so fast MT. You missed this part:

It's absolutely, unequivocably clear that this bill had the support of all but 10 Senators. BOTH PARTIES were in the tank on this one.

It's ok; it happens when you rush. I forgive you.

[CAP1]

Before it was the "swift boat veterans" for the truth which turned out to be nothing but lies.. Now comes "The Clarion Fund" mass mailing a scare tactic DVD titled "Obsession: Radical Islam's war against the west"  which apparently has been sent to registered voters in swing states. I just received one in the mail today unsolicited.

By law a 501 group can not give donations, endorse or oppose a political candidate. Yet this group on the groups own website http://www.radicalislam.org/ there was an article backing McCain until it was pulled for breaking the law. I'm quite sure these guys have done their best to distance themselves from the "GOP" officially, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where their support came from.

It's pretty pathetic how low the Republican party with stoop to lie & cheat their way into the white house. So much for that "change" McSame talks about. Even McSame himself is continuing his lies about Obama in commercials that have already been proved to be lies but who cares right? As long as to moron sheep believe it, who cares if it's a lie or not right?

Quite ironic that this group is also pushing the "bad for America" corn for fuel as well..

I guess it was perfect timing, that this columnist who was a McSame supporter wrote this article today..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091502406.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

actually, the new low is you. you keep finding things to start political flame wars in here.

[midnight Target]

Don't read so fast MT. You missed this part:

It's ok; it happens when you rush. I forgive you.

No rush, I was originally responding to the statement that "The Clinton Administration put in place". I'm glad you agree with me that this is bull. And I accept your apology.

[Sixpence]

Prove me wrong.

Didn't repubs have control of the pres, house and senate for almost 8 years?

Something about checkmate?

[Toad]

No rush, I was originally responding to the statement that "The Clinton Administration put in place". I'm glad you agree with me that this is bull. And I accept your apology.

Still confused? I'm not apologizing at all.

It matters not one whit who proposed the bill. What matters is that it became law when BOTH PARTIES supported it in the Senate and BJ Clinton signed it.

A bill that becomes law has no effect, no matter who the sponsors may be.

This one became law because BOTH PARTIES supported it and Clinton did not veto it.

Spin all you like but there's the facts.

[MORAY37]

Funny how the demodummies ignore that changes to the financial laws the Clinton administration put in place that had a very real role in economic problems of today.

Funny how the republo dummies forget it was their own Phil Graham-(R) that  inserted those changes in regulation into the federal budget after midnight on the day of the vote.

[gwano]

Anyone that could actually support Palin thinking she is even remotely qualified has problems.

The econemy was running on bandaids.. but of course it's easier to blame it on the Democrats for the simple minded.

Anyone could actually support Palin thinking she is qualified.

The econemy was running on bandaids..it's easier to blame it on the Democrats for the simple mind.

[RedTop]

Anyone that could actually support Palin thinking she is even remotely qualified has problems.

<---Problem Adult

[RedTop]

Crockett wrote.....I mean lets get real here, when you are talking thousands of pages of legislation you can't expect anyone to know everything that's in it.

Now..I sort of agree here with this statement...which brings me to this one....

If Congress would F-in work instead of 5 week vacations....We wouldn't have to piggy back bullsh** on the backs of other stuff which ultimatley comes back to bite em in the arse.

I'm not sure how many people here on this BBS get prolly weeks and weeks and weeks of vacation a year and make 6 figures.