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Offline rabbidrabbit

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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2008, 10:13:01 PM »
There is only one poll that actually matters.

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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2008, 12:38:06 AM »
Without looking I'd wager the blue states have far more people living off the government teat than the red states.

may be true...but is there any chart available that someone knows about - or is it just - slam ...ignore...slam..

but actually I think the percentage of population on the government teat is in the south... plus farm subsidies...and such... welfare and social security ssi - definitely an urban thing.. but percentage wise..i bet it is more even than anyone may realize..
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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2008, 06:07:31 AM »
may be true...but is there any chart available that someone knows about - or is it just - slam ...ignore...slam..

Do you call SkyRock out on things like this?

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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2008, 06:52:39 AM »
There is only one poll that actually matters.


Exactly why I go by that site instead of the national polls

The national represent how the general election (popular vote) might go.
As we all know that's not how it works

The site I use represents how the voting might go in each state (the electoral College)
which is the only poll that will matter on election day.
You can better tell how your candidate is doing on this site then by national polls

There are reasons why candidates visit some states more then others
Its pointless to spend alot of time and money campaigning in dark blue or red states. Particularly as the election draws nearer.
and particularly if those states carry only a few electoral votes.
That time and money is better spent in "weak","barely" & "tied" states.
As the election draws near. You can expect both candidates to start making more trips to these states.

Obamas rise in the polls recently is reflected in this map over the other day.
It shows Obama gaining ground.
But for the moment McCain still has the (shrinking) lead

Sept 19
Obama 252    McCain 265    Ties 21



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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2008, 08:59:55 AM »
Do you call SkyRock out on things like this?

Don't understand your question and how it relates.

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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2008, 09:20:12 AM »
Without looking I'd wager the blue states have far more people living off the government teat than the red states.

I'm pretty sure TN has the highest number of welfare recepients per capita and by the above map they are solid red.
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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2008, 09:34:17 AM »
Dred

One funny thing off of that site
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

"Rep. Peter Welch (D-VT) Gets Both Nominations
One seat the Republicans won't get is VT-AL. They didn't bother to put up a candidate to oppose Rep. Peter Welch (D-VT) in their primary, but apparently some Republicans liked him, so they wrote in his name. Enough people did this so that he won the Republican nomination as well as the Democratic nomination and will oppose himself in November. Either way, he will win and lose."

Cool site
I like the neutral ground they take

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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2008, 09:36:38 AM »
Just looked for per capita stats and can't find any.
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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2008, 09:43:23 AM »
Someone found the info and posted it in a thread elsewhere.  I go looking for it.

-edit-  I was ninja'd

And that wasn't the same list so now I need to go find the other one that someone posted to compare what statistics were actually being used.
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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2008, 10:11:00 AM »
Total spending per capita is not the same as highest number of people on welfare per capita.

New York spends more per capita but that doesn't mean they have more people on welfare than some other state. New York does pay each person a lot; I saw a blurb when I was looking that said that someone on welfare in New York would have to get a job at $45k/year before they would make more than they make on welfare.
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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2008, 10:13:53 AM »
What happens to those numbers when you factor in cost of living?  Cost of living in New York (not just the city, but the state as a whole) is higher than say here in NC.

It would be a factor as well I guess.
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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2008, 10:25:25 AM »
Exactly. Need a chart that just shows number of people on welfare per 100K or something like that.
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Re: No need to panic anymore Dems, your back out front
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2008, 10:52:27 AM »
I'm pretty sure TN has the highest number of welfare recepients per capita and by the above map they are solid red.

TN #4 : http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec_percap-caseloads-total-recipients-per-capita