Difference between the two Candidates- Laymens terms

[iTunes]

Trying to understand were the two are coming from:
McCain- He wants less taxes etc on Businesses, that means that the regular Joes like me will have more in our paychecks, doing business will be cheaper, more people buy and use services and so things will tick along nicely, He will make it harder for illegals to get Jobs which means that guys like me won't get turfed out and we'll get raises and bonuses still as the Boss won't have tp pay so much in taxes etc?

The other guy- Obama wants more taxes and programs and to make it easier for Illegals to settle in this Country, So that means the boss will pay more and then things start to get tighter at work, then Illegals become attractive as they cost less and I could be out of a job?
How do the Illegals get jobs anyway? You have to fill all those INS forms in when you start someplace, so how do they get round that?

[Nwbie]

Trying to understand were the two are coming from:
McCain- He wants less taxes etc on Businesses, that means that the regular Joes like me will have more in our paychecks, doing business will be cheaper, more people buy and use services and so things will tick along nicely, He will make it harder for illegals to get Jobs which means that guys like me won't get turfed out and we'll get raises and bonuses still as the Boss won't have tp pay so much in taxes etc?

The other guy- Obama wants more taxes and programs and to make it easier for Illegals to settle in this Country, So that means the boss will pay more and then things start to get tighter at work, then Illegals become attractive as they cost less and I could be out of a job?
How do the Illegals get jobs anyway? You have to fill all those INS forms in when you start someplace, so how do they get round that?

how many of those less taxed business actually have their products produced in the United States?
What jobs are you talking about?
Now if it is a service oriented job - fixing things that were produced elsewhere,, well then you have a point
But i sure get angry when i see - produced in China or north Korea . but the company is based in the US...I don't think they need a friggin break - they already have one

[crockett]

Actually McCain just announced today that he wants to expand the govt and create a new Mortgage and Financial Institutions trust agency. 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/19/campaign.wrap/index.html

So the guy that claims he will somehow cut 100's of billions of dollars out of the budget, but can't give any specifics on how he will do it other than cutting defense spending and earmarks, now wants to expand the govt and create more red tape.



As for Obama, I'm not a fan of him targeting one specific group for higher taxes, however for 90% of Americans taxes will go down. Most of the people that complain about his idea on taxes would likely get a cut in their taxes under Obama's plan.

Personally I only support a flat tax, because then everyone would pay their fair share regardless of how much they made. With that said I don't support Obama's or McCain's tax plans because neither are fair to everyone.

[whels]

As for Obama, I'm not a fan of him targeting one specific group for higher taxes, however for 90% of Americans taxes will go down. Most of the people that complain about his idea on taxes would likely get a cut in their taxes under Obama's plan.

your a fool if u think raising taxes on the top 10% wont  hurt the other 90%.

the group being raise will be all your businesses, which means they will raise prices more,
cut jobs, cut their investments(specially with doubling cap gains tax).  The 90% will end up paying
for the tax hike, and the market will tank even worse then now.

[Nwbie]

your a fool if u think raising taxes on the top 10% wont  hurt the other 90%.

the group being raise will be all your businesses, which means they will raise prices more,
cut jobs, cut their investments(specially with doubling cap gains tax).  The 90% will end up paying
for the tax hike, and the market will tank even worse then now.

Now - isn't it for companies that have a net profit of 250000 or more?
that would be after all costs, payroll, depreciation etc
how many corporations - especially small businesses --have a net profit after all costs of 250000 or more
that 10% will be paying a percentage on the profit - so for every 100000-- 6500 in taxes - right?
that is 6.5% of 100 grand - right?
so.. any corporation...that profits ...after all writeoffs ..... 6500 bucks per 100 grand in net profit...
Now - what about the companies that are based in the us... and produce the product overseas or mexico or canada...a very large proportion.....how many workers will they need to layoff...and how does that affect the american worker?

[WWhiskey]

Personally I only support a flat tax,                                         

news flash!
hell is freezing over!!
i didn't think there was anyway we could agree on anything!

exept that you need a new avatar

[alskahawk]

Trying to understand were the two are coming from:
McCain- He wants less taxes etc on Businesses, that means that the regular Joes like me will have more in our paychecks, doing business will be cheaper, more people buy and use services and so things will tick along nicely, He will make it harder for illegals to get Jobs which means that guys like me won't get turfed out and we'll get raises and bonuses still as the Boss won't have tp pay so much in taxes etc?

The other guy- Obama wants more taxes and programs and to make it easier for Illegals to settle in this Country, So that means the boss will pay more and then things start to get tighter at work, then Illegals become attractive as they cost less and I could be out of a job?
How do the Illegals get jobs anyway? You have to fill all those INS forms in when you start someplace, so how do they get round that?

 Neither Obama or McCain will do anything about illegals. McCain calls for strong border and a program for legal workers. *We already have 23 different legal worker programs.
 Obama calls for pretty much the same. 
 Both candidates pretty much stay away from this issue. They don't see it as a position where they can win votes and keep business happy. I've heard one mention, albeit a quick mention, on immigration since the Republican convention. One mention in two plus weeks? Not much going to change here.

Obama's tax plan will raise the taxes on those making over 250 thousand dollars a year and lower it on those making less than 250 k. McCain's is similar. Though it does include business deductions(I think). It would not change taxes of those over (not sure of number here) 150k? It would lower taxes for those under (what ever amount) though not as much as Obama's plan. Both of these plans are typical political rhetoric. After the election it will be hard to figure out how much we saved.
 Fact check.org. has the strait unbiased story.

[Hangtime]

Personally I only support a flat tax

no titty, no taxi?

[Yeager]

Basically, a free enterprise system benefits everyone in the class spectrum.  The problem starts when individuals bend and stretch rules and regulations for personal gain.

Those bending and stretching bastards are the people that need to go to prison.  The problem with free enterprise originates in the establishment that passes laws: the congress/senate/president team that seems more often than not to benefit those people at the top of the spectrum.  Screw those jokers, they are costing us all a trillion dollars.

[Hangtime]

I'm not lookin for utopia.

Just lookin to minimize the intrusion, get a fair deal from the government.

...and the god given right to kick arse if somebody messes wif my stuff.

[Masherbrum]

I'm not lookin for utopia.

Just lookin to minimize the intrusion, get a fair deal from the government.

...and the god given right to kick arse if somebody messes wif my stuff.

Yep.   NObama is not the answer.

[Druss]

Personally I only support a flat tax, because then everyone would pay their fair share regardless of how much they made.

I am with you on that, my friend!

[1pLUs44]

Guys, keep working! Millions on welfare depend on you!! 


Thats how they see it. 

[Mr No Name]

McCain is an open borders guy and so is osamabama... we lose with either choice there... I am voting BARR

[alskahawk]

Guys, keep working! Millions on welfare depend on you!! 


Thats how they see it. 

 This week its all about corporate welfare. Which is much more expensive.