Vulching?

[Anaxogoras]

I'm sure we'll all heard the same thing on 200 during the middle of the event last night.  Is vulching frowned upon or not allowed in FSO?  Bomber pilots were given warning that if they re-armed and left drones otr to make a 2nd strike, those drones would be fair targets.

[Sled]

There are no rules aginst shooting AC on the ground.

Only exception, Pilots may not bail from their AC and shoot enemy AC on the ground with their .45 pistol. That is in the rules.

[daddog]

Is vulching frowned upon or not allowed in FSO?

No rule against it. As for being frowned upon, depends on who you talk to. I will vulch in a heart beat depending on the circumstances. Some never will.  

[powerhog]

its time to vulch vulch vulch i dont know if you ask me targets on the ground are open for attack  that is why it has been stated you should have cap at airfield to protect the rearming a/c. and i dont think it is the same as in the ma where someone deacks the field and comes back just to pick off a/c trying to take off powerhog

[oakranger]

Only exception, Pilots may not bail from their AC and shoot enemy AC on the ground with their .45 pistol. That is in the rules.

I am guilty of assassinating the axis CiC on ground with the .45.  I didn't know that there was a ruling on that until i was informed about that. 

[Dantoo]

I personally vulch Daddog and Sled whenever I get the opportunity! 

[fudgums]

hmm is shooting aircraft on the hotpad considered vulching?

[Sled]

I personally vulch Daddog and Sled whenever I get the opportunity! 

Well at least I am in good company.

[daddog]

Going to make a squad award for anyone who shoots down Dantoo.

[APDrone]

Well, to toss out a differing opinion...

I do not believe vulching belongs in FSO. 

It was generally considered suicidal ( if I recall my readings properly ) to fly over an enemy airfield more than once.

Now, if they could set the lethality of anti-aircraft defenses at airfields separately from other targets, then set the lethality to .... say, 3.0  or 4.0, .. then, by all means.. vulch away.

 

[Saxman]

We've made it a rule in my squadron that vulching in FSO is allowed, however we do not track these destroyed aircraft within our own internal scoring as aerial victories. Instead we consider them ground targets (VMF-251 tracks three targets on our scoreboard: Aerial victories, ground targets (vehicles) and objects (ack guns, buildings, etc)). If an enemy aircraft is sitting on the ground, or is in a state where, whether due to landing approach or takeoff roll is in the air but the pilot is unable to respond to an attack (this one's a judgment call by the command staff) it is considered a ground target instead.

[Sled]

Here is some things to consider when it comes to vulching in FSO.

AC that are on the ground re-arming, in most cases, do not have to sit there and be shot by incoming enemy. There is no reason that they can not tower out and get a successful landing long before an enemy AC has the chance to fire his (or her) guns.

Vulching as it occurs in the MA does not happen in FSO. In FSO you do not have a situation where enemy AC are circling a base shooting AC as they try to spawn and take off. The only vulching you are going to see in FSO is enemy AC that find AC on the ground refueling, or on final approach, and they shoot them on the ground. But then again those AC on the ground should have plenty of time to simply type .ef and go to the tower, giving the enemy nothing to shoot at.

In the case where that AC is still moving after touching down, and can not use the .ef command yet, said AC should be being covered by friendly AC still flying. And very rare should be the case when a pilot is trying to land with enemy AC flying close enough that they can get a shot on him before he can type .ef.


So, FSO is about scoring kills on the enemy. If that enemy is going to give you the opportunity to kill his AC on the ground, then take it. I would, and most pilots in WWII would as well.

[ROC]

I'm sure we'll all heard the same thing on 200 during the middle of the event last night.

It's best to contact the Host CM, if it's not specifically prohibited in the rules, then CAP should occur.  Yelling about it on 200 is MA type of distractions that FSO squads should be above by now.

CAP is essential, Planning and Communications are essential, Defending the returning fighters and bombers, also essential.  Vulching wasn't the problem, that they were allowed to get there in the first place was the problem.  Let's all try and remember what Doesn't work in the MAs and keep it out of events.

[Odee]

hmm is shooting aircraft on the hotpad considered vulching?

Yes it is frowned upon... get far more using bombs. 

BTW - 49th is hoping to get their ride pic for at least 2 of the frames in this one.  Being stuck in Sukas the last scenario sucked, no matter how well we did, or did not do.
 

[AKKaz]

Though vulching is "legal", I still would consider that shooting drones being left on the ground after rearm a little in bad taste.  It has been stated that after the lead plane leaves a certain distance that the drones disappear.  That is not always true, have been in a few FSO's where we rearmed for a second run in 25's and when we came back from the run, our drones were still sitting on the feild.

So what's the answer?  don't rearm when assigned buffs? leave cap over feild for rest of frame? count the kills or dont count the kills? you call it..... but in this particular case, there is nothing other than never rearming buffs that a person can do to avoid easy vulch kills on drones.  Sad part is, after you leave them on the ground you can hear the bullet near misses on your plane when the drones are being shot at.  And there's nothing you can do about it but look around to make sure the enemy is not on your actual 6