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Thus beginneth the pandering.
« on: September 21, 2008, 12:45:48 AM »
I was wondering how long it would take the media to begin inciting racial animosity in this election.

Okay, Obama will loose because White people are inherently evil. We know this because someone took an this incredibly loaded poll. Surprise, it appears that many Whites have actually met a reasonable cross-section of the U.S. Black community, and for once the Honkies couldn't be bothered with lying about the matter to our pollsters. :eek:

Note that the ONLY fact allowed to be in play is the percentage of Whites who plan to vote or not vote for the Black guy. The percentage of Blacks who plan to vote or not vote for the White guy, is apparently totally unimportant. :rolleyes: Even if said percentage of the Black vote is laughably small compared to Obama's White supporters. :rofl 

I can see it now, No White House no Peace!  :devil

What I'd like to see is something along the lines of a Thomas Sowell vrs. Hillary Clinton campaign. Then we'd get a REAL through-the-looking glass psychadelic politico-racial situation.

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Re: Thus beginneth the pandering.
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2008, 12:54:55 AM »
Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

Imagine that. 1/3 of democrats think the black folks are "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

I find that astonishing.

Really.

'cmon. quit laughing.

I know yer laughing. it's not funny.

really.

'cause if it wuz true that would mean that more than half of democrats hate white women more than black people.

..and that's just plain crazy thinkin.

right?

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Re: Thus beginneth the pandering.
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 01:26:07 AM »
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Re: Thus beginneth the pandering.
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 06:07:56 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 11:59:24 AM »
Personally I could care less if the candidate is purple like Barney, or their gender. For me it is all about the philosophy they bring to the table. 

There will be people that will not vote for Obama because he is black.  But there are also many people who will vote for him BECAUSE he is black as well. 

I know several people who have nothing in common with Obama philosophically but are likely to vote for him anyway because he is, in one case "trendy", and in another "because he is black and if we vote for a black person it will show that we aren't a racist country."

It would be nice if we lived in a so-called colorless society.  Unfortunately we do not and those that have wished and lobbied for a colorless society for decades are now the ones making color the issue.  "Some whites won't vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black." It isn't just polls, it is also democratic pundits that are saying it.  That makes color an issue.  Whites voting FOR him because he is black also make color an issue. 

It is funny, I look at Obama and see a middle aged liberal senator.  I look at McCain and see an older centrist senator.  In the interest of fairness, I looked at Mitt Romney as a middle aged, conservative, ex-governor and Hillary as an older left of center senator. 

I suggest that a person should vote on the basis of which party best represents their own views, because it is the party's ideals that will be represented when in office, not the flowery speeches and platitudes the candidates deliver while on the soap box.  Third party folks, don't bother with a high jack.  In reality America is a two party system.  Work within it.  A good example of what can happen when you support your ideals and throw away your vote on a third party candidate is in 2000 when in all likelihood, liberal people who voted for Ralph Nader succeeded in getting a conservative elected by not supporting Al Gore, who was much closer to what they believe in.  So instead they voted on principle instead of on the candidate that would be closest to what they believe in.  Political parties are a big tent and you have to live in the tent that best represents what you believe in.
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Re: Thus beginneth the pandering.
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 01:31:55 PM »
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I suggest that a person should vote on the basis of which party best represents their own views, because it is the party's ideals that will be represented when in office, not the flowery speeches and platitudes the candidates deliver while on the soap box.

Sheeple! And more of 'em too!

'party' politics is screen, a tool and the more people feed at the party trough the more sheeple we get.

You have a brain. Use it. Don't be a minion or a subject.. be an individual and vote for the person that brings to the table the character, wisdom and practical experience necessary to best represent your version of what government policy should be.

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Re: Thus beginneth the pandering.
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 01:45:43 PM »
Some white folks will not vote for Obama simply because he is black.  And, some black folks will vote for him simply because he is black.  It probably isn't an even trade, but I'm sure they at least somewhat cancel each other out.

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 01:54:41 PM »
I'll agree to that. Political candidates are individuals who spend six months under a microscope. Unlike many situations, there is far more than ample time and information to discern whether a candidate is an "exception" or a "rule" without having to fall back on playing the odds based on known group tendencies. Like I say, run Thomas Sowell against Hillary Clinton (not a  "liberal", I refuse to let the Leftists use that find old name anymore. I am a Liberal.) See who I vote for. Just don't run Armstrong Williams, the Limbaugh-esque Black right-wing talk show personality, who is very conveniently thinking of voting for the Dem's man this election.  :furious

What gets my goat is the obvious, almost amateurish attempt by the media to point their crooked little fingers at White people in America yet again and act like they are the only segment of the human race to practice ethnocentrism, when in fact modern Whites are probably the least ethnocentric group walking the face of the Earth. And this sort of pot-stirring of racial animosity almost constitutes incitation on the media's part, IMHO.

BTW, I don't think a third party candidate can win this election. I don't know if a third party candidate can EVER win a election. But I can say for sure, that if it is Demopublican from now on, there is no hope for this country. The two wings of the Boot-On-Your-Neck Party, are demonstrably going to do whatever they want. They don't debate about allowing more illegals in, they debate the particulars of how many and how. They don't debate about foreign interventionism, but merely how to intervene. They do not debate about whether or not to socialize more segments of the economy, but merely whose plan is best for that. The Republicans, ever since Barry Goldwater lost, have existed by positioning themselves JUST to the Right of the Dems and saying to the poor slobs who constitute the backbone of this nation, "What are ya gonna do? Vote for the GREATER evil? Screw you!" And I for one, am tired of it.


Personally I could care less if the candidate is purple like Barney, or their gender. For me it is all about the philosophy they bring to the table. 

There will be people that will not vote for Obama because he is black.  But there are also many people who will vote for him BECAUSE he is black as well. 

I know several people who have nothing in common with Obama philosophically but are likely to vote for him anyway because he is, in one case "trendy", and in another "because he is black and if we vote for a black person it will show that we aren't a racist country."

It would be nice if we lived in a so-called colorless society.  Unfortunately we do not and those that have wished and lobbied for a colorless society for decades are now the ones making color the issue.  "Some whites won't vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black." It isn't just polls, it is also democratic pundits that are saying it.  That makes color an issue.  Whites voting FOR him because he is black also make color an issue. 

It is funny, I look at Obama and see a middle aged liberal senator.  I look at McCain and see an older centrist senator.  In the interest of fairness, I looked at Mitt Romney as a middle aged, conservative, ex-governor and Hillary as an older left of center senator. 

I suggest that a person should vote on the basis of which party best represents their own views, because it is the party's ideals that will be represented when in office, not the flowery speeches and platitudes the candidates deliver while on the soap box.  Third party folks, don't bother with a high jack.  In reality America is a two party system.  Work within it.  A good example of what can happen when you support your ideals and throw away your vote on a third party candidate is in 2000 when in all likelihood, liberal people who voted for Ralph Nader succeeded in getting a conservative elected by not supporting Al Gore, who was much closer to what they believe in.  So instead they voted on principle instead of on the candidate that would be closest to what they believe in.  Political parties are a big tent and you have to live in the tent that best represents what you believe in.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 02:11:09 PM »
Good post BnZ.. enjoyed it. One less at risk of being sheeple on the planet.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 03:36:10 PM »
This is one reason why I predict Michigan to go red for the first time since whenever.  People like my parents who have towed the party line their whole lives will not be able to do it when they get behind the curtain.  I'm not condoning it, I'm just stating it as a simple fact.  Many of these people are lying when polled; they don't want everyone to know they're racists...  But when they get behind that curtain and it's just them and the lever...

This could wind up being an extremely lopsided contest.

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 03:36:44 PM »
Obama is not black.

Obama is not white.

Obama is lucky because he is neither and both at the same time, and depending on what constituency he is addressing he can pick and choose
to his advantage.

Its not fair  :rofl
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 03:47:17 PM »
This is one reason why I predict Michigan to go red for the first time since whenever.  People like my parents who have towed the party line their whole lives will not be able to do it when they get behind the curtain.  I'm not condoning it, I'm just stating it as a simple fact.  Many of these people are lying when polled; they don't want everyone to know they're racists...  But when they get behind that curtain and it's just them and the lever...

This could wind up being an extremely lopsided contest.

What percentage of Blacks will be voting for McCain? Do you think Black voter turn-out will improve or not improve this election for, I dunno, some mysterious reason? Can you name a strongly Democratic White media personality who is all of a sudden publicly announcing he may vote for McCain in this election?

I'm not after debating the merits of the candidates here, after all, they are more identical than zealots on either side care to admit. My point is that once again according the media my race is eeeeeeeeeeeeevil for noticing things about the Black population that everybody knows are generally true, and because, when given the choice between two candidates who are both fighting tooth and nail for ideological dead center, a certain percentage of Whites choose to go with the clone with whom they share an ethnic identity.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008, 05:05:06 PM »
Sheeple! And more of 'em too!

'party' politics is screen, a tool and the more people feed at the party trough the more sheeple we get.

You have a brain. Use it. Don't be a minion or a subject.. be an individual and vote for the person that brings to the table the character, wisdom and practical experience necessary to best represent your version of what government policy should be.

Screw the labels.

Better to be a sheeple than a non-factor or person who helps get someone who is a polar opposite of what they believe in elected. 

I am certainly not a sheep being led to slaughter or a lemming following a traditional dogma.  What I am is a realist that actually understands how the system really works rather than a self-righteous fool that believes he is better just because he is "independent" or "cut from a different cloth". 

So under your theory you lets say that you are a libertarian and vote for whatever candidate they throw up there who gets less than 1% of the popular vote. Then in a crucial state like Ohio goes against the GOP candidate and causes the GOP candidate to lose.  The margin is less than the vote total that the libertarian candidate received thus causing all those libertarians to get a president that believes in more government, more governement intrusion into your life, higher taxes, more regulation and all sorts of other things that are completely against libertarian philosophy.  All that despite the GOP being closer in philosophy to libertarians then the Dems are.  Much closer.  Sure, the libertarian may feel like a brain using individualist, but they cut off there nose to spite their face.  Victory to their enemies, furnished by the self righteous brain user  As in 2000 you can insert a left cause and Dem where it says GOP and it is the same. You suppose those Nader voters felt good about their protest vote or vote of principle when it caused a candidate that was close to their philosophy to lose?  Yeah they probably did...  So that is smarter, having pride in being a brain user and helping to work against what you believe in?  Of course it is important for some to say, "Yeah I voted for the Green candidate, or libertarian so you can't blame me for the mess in Washington."  Really?  hmmm  who is really at fault

I know a guy that has voted for the Communist party candidate every election since the 70s.  He helps get Republicans elected because he refuses to vote for the Democrat who is closer to his value system.  Sounds like a smart move to me.   :noid
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2008, 05:30:28 PM »
I respectfully disagree. The entire WOT sounds like and has the talking points of a party sheeple.

I see folks that don't like abortion voting the republican ticket right down to the local level.. where republican politics has nothing to do with republican policy. Sheeple.

The abortion rights issue has nothing to do with survival of the nation or the economy. yet.. these sheeple, blindly follow the goat with the bell playing their tune.

If you can't see the miasma of shame involved on both sides of the party isles and instead of playing party politics, started voting for the PERSON that is better qualified on issues relevant to the office considered we'd be doing better.. a LOT better as a nation, as a people and as a community.

Right now, a national campaign is going on for the presidency of the united states.. defense, foreign policy, economy, trade policy, taxes and education are the key issues. Now how many idiots will lemming up to the table and vote skin color, abortion or gay rights?

Screw 'party' politics, sheeple and lemmings.

Use your brain.. vote for something a little larger than Oprah's issues.
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2008, 05:45:15 PM »
I respectfully disagree. The entire WOT sounds like and has the talking points of a party sheeple.

I see folks that don't like abortion voting the republican ticket right down to the local level.. where republican politics has nothing to do with republican policy. Sheeple.

The abortion rights issue has nothing to do with survival of the nation or the economy. yet.. these sheeple, blindly follow the goat with the bell playing their tune.

If you can't see the miasma of shame involved on both sides of the party isles and instead of playing party politics, started voting for the PERSON that is better qualified on issues relevant to the office considered we'd be doing better.. a LOT better as a nation, as a people and as a community.

Right now, a national campaign is going on for the presidency of the united states.. defense, foreign policy, economy, trade policy, taxes and education are the key issues. Now how many idiots will lemming up to the table and vote skin color, abortion or gay rights?

Screw 'party' politics, sheeple and lemmings.

Use your brain.. vote for something a little larger than Oprah's issues.

The democrats are on the wrong side of every single issue. The republicans certainly aren't on my side on all the issues but at least some.
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