David Letterman speaks the truth..

[Ripsnort]

I could care less if Obama was  Muslim or if Palin was a snake charmer. The difference is Obama isn't trying to push his religious views in my face and dictate what schools can teach based on personal religious beliefs. What church they go to or what they belief in the closed doors of their homes is their business not mine. However if they try to push that religious agenda on me it becomes my problem.

Neither is McCain!  You're carrying a torch on a non-issue (this election) 

[AquaShrimp]

Isn't Biden a sitting US Senator as well? He better have have his butt parked in his seat doing his job right along side McCain and Obama. This is important stuff going on (700 BILLION worth of taxpayers money looking to be handed out) and they OWE it to the people that put them there to do their damn jobs, Presidential Campaign be damned.

Lol, you have a lot to learn about how politics works.

[Ripsnort]

Lol, you have a lot to learn about how politics works.

With all due respect (and I mean that sincerely as we all have our opinions on politics), I've seen Hornets post over the years, he knows fully well how politics work. And judging by your posts, he knows alot more than you. (and a disclaimer: I am not friends with hornet, nor do I associate with him online, offline or in the AH game)

[SkyRock]

"it is above my pay grade" is not a good answer for the commander in chief of the United states.



lazs

The president, should in no way have any say in teh abortion issue, it is between a woman, her doctor, and her god, not the government or its leaders.

[crockett]

Neither is McCain!  You're carrying a torch on a non-issue (this election) 

Exactly and that's why McCain was my best of the worst picks. I don't even have a clue as to what his religious beliefs other than I assume he's a christian. Just like the Clinton's, I knew they went to church but I couldn't even tell you what type of church they went to. The only reason I even knew what type of church Obama went to is because you guys made such a big deal about it here.

Palin on the other hand practically every time I've seen her on TV she's talking about religion. That was enough to spark my interest as a warning so the first day so I did my own research and found out she has a heavy religious agenda. That does not sit well with me because I firmly believe in separation of church and state.

Why is it so many of you O'clubbers that always worry about the 2nd amendment are so easy to give away the 1st amendment?

Besides all that I simply can not trust McCain anymore, he has flip flopped on so many issues that you have no clue what he really stands for. Sure I'd love to get rid of lobbyist from Washington, but how can you trust John McCain will do it, when the people running his campaign are big business lobbyist? McCain now claims he wants more regulation yet his voting record shows he's always voted against it.

In short McCain don't walk the walk he talks and there is no reason at all to trust what he says at this point.

Then we have the national debit.. I'm sorry but history shows, that those so called spend crazy Democrats have always reduced the National Debit. meanwhile most of the Republicans have increased it. The only two Republicans to reduce the National debit since WW2 has been Nixon and Eisenhower.

So honestly I'm not sure what issues you think I'm not voting on, but the Republican fail on all the one's I'm worried about.

[Ripsnort]

Exactly and that's why McCain was my best of the worst picks. I don't even have a clue as to what his religious beliefs other than I assume he's a christian. Just like the Clinton's, I knew they went to church but I couldn't even tell you what type of church they went to. The only reason I even knew what type of church Obama went to is because you guys made such a big deal about it here.

Palin on the other hand practically every time I've seen her on TV she's talking about religion. That was enough to spark my interest as a warning so the first day so I did my own research and found out she has a heavy religious agenda. That does not sit well with me because I firmly believe in separation of church and state.

Why is it so many of you O'clubbers that always worry about the 2nd amendment are so easy to give away the 1st amendment?

Besides all that I simply can not trust McCain anymore, he has flip flopped on so many issues that you have no clue what he really stands for. Sure I'd love to get rid of lobbyist from Washington, but how can you trust John McCain will do it, when the people running his campaign are big business lobbyist? McCain now claims he wants more regulation yet his voting record shows he's always voted against it.

In short McCain don't walk the walk he talks and there is no reason at all to trust what he says at this point.

Then we have the national debit.. I'm sorry but history shows, that those so called spend crazy Democrats have always reduced the National Debit. meanwhile most of the Republicans have increased it. The only two Republicans to reduce the National debit since WW2 has been Nixon and Eisenhower.

So honestly I'm not sure what issues you think I'm not voting on, but the Republican fail on all the one's I'm worried about.

I agree that there is no difference in the parties today regarding spending. That's one of my beefs with the Republican party right now, as I consider myself closer to a conservative (agnostic conservative at that) in regards to the issues that I favor, than a republican.

I personally think people that use religion as an excuse not to vote a party use it as an excuse to vote a party line, just like you're doing.
I am not religious,nor do I like the religious right, but there are  more important issues at stake than religion.

I am pro-abortion too, as long as its within the first 3 months of pregnancy. Anything after that, I consider it murder of a child.

There are many times I've voted for democrats at the state level, simply because they stood firmer on issues I agreed with.

[Sikboy]

You think Joe Biden is not going to be out campaigning while Obama is in Washington.. Hell no he's going to be out there playing the role of number two and doing what needs to be done.

Actually, I think Biden will probably be in Washington too. He does have a day job you know.

-Sik

[crockett]

I agree that there is no difference in the parties today regarding spending. That's one of my beefs with the Republican party right now, as I consider myself closer to a conservative (agnostic conservative at that) in regards to the issues that I favor, than a republican.

I personally think people that use religion as an excuse not to vote a party use it as an excuse to vote a party line, just like you're doing.
I am not religious,nor do I like the religious right, but there are  more important issues at stake than religion.

I am pro-abortion too, as long as its within the first 3 months of pregnancy. Anything after that, I consider it murder of a child.

There are many times I've voted for democrats at the state level, simply because they stood firmer on issues I agreed with.

Well see If the Republican would ditch the Religious Conservative stuff and go back to being actual govt based conservatives then I'd likely vote Republican. However the way I see it, is both parties are going to spend a lot of money and waste tax dollars. So I have a choice of Republicans who give all the tax money to big business or Democrats that tend to give more of the tax money for social programs. Well sorry I'll pick the average person over big biz corporate executives any day.

Then you have the rights issues.. Republicans tend to try and tell me what I can't do in my own home. I mean hell under Bush's pick for Attorney General Alberto Gonads, his top priority for the FBI was going to be obscenity prosecutions in the porn industry. I mean hello, I'm sorry but hello 9/11 anyone? Should their top priority be going after actual criminals not be the thought police? Luckily he was thrown out before he could do too much damage.

Democrats tend to go after guns, but honestly other than the Brady act what have they actually done on the national level? Meanwhile we have Bush who was doing all these illegal wiretaps and having the FBI spy on American citizens. We lost habeas corpus and now the US govt can get data on any citizen from commercial data mining companies with out a warrant. While you guys complain about the 2nd amendment this current Admin has been busy stripping away all your other rights.

Concidering McCain has sided with Bush over 90% of the time I'd say that's a bad sign..

[john9001]

palin should debate obama , without teleprompters, she would walk all over him. 

[eskimo2]

LOL

"...and now he's on Rachel Ray's show making veal pecata."

[Mr No Name]

Everyone here knows I cannot stand McPain, Osamabama or binBiden... In THIS particular case, the three Senators need to be doing the job they are elected to on an issue so important and so expensive.  For 3 US Senators to miss a crucial senate debate and vote would be a dereliction of duty at the LEAST.  Televise Presidential debates can be stuck on the back burner for a couple of weeks, a show is no big deal, a decision on how to spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS $1,000,000,000,000.00 - IS a huge deal.

[trax1]

Everyone here knows I cannot stand McPain, Osamabama or binBiden... In THIS particular case, the three Senators need to be doing the job they are elected to on an issue so important and so expensive.  For 3 US Senators to miss a crucial senate debate and vote would be a dereliction of duty at the LEAST.  Televise Presidential debates can be stuck on the back burner for a couple of weeks, a show is no big deal, a decision on how to spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS $1,000,000,000,000.00 - IS a huge deal.

What do you think there gonna do?  Don't you think that since they haven't been in the Senate for quite some time that they might be a little out of the loop at this point, and that the Senators that have been there would have a much better understanding of the situation, and be more equipped to deal with the bail out?

[crockett]

Everyone here knows I cannot stand McPain, Osamabama or binBiden... In THIS particular case, the three Senators need to be doing the job they are elected to on an issue so important and so expensive.  For 3 US Senators to miss a crucial senate debate and vote would be a dereliction of duty at the LEAST.  Televise Presidential debates can be stuck on the back burner for a couple of weeks, a show is no big deal, a decision on how to spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS $1,000,000,000,000.00 - IS a huge deal.

We don't have a couple of weeks to burn with the debates. The election is Nov 5th they have 4 debates to do in that time frame. Today is the 24th of September the election is on  Nov 5th which is a Wednesday and that is exactly 5 weeks from yesterday.

My guess is McCain is trying to push the VP debate out of the works then play the we can't meet the schedule routine so she doesn't have to debate. He doesn't want to put her on the stage with Biden.  However, now that the deal has been sealed there is no legit excuse for McCain to miss the Friday debate. If he does then he is simply dodging it trying to push away the VP debate.

[Golfer]

We don't have a couple of weeks to burn with the debates. The election is Nov 5th they have 4 debates to do in that time frame. Today is the 24th of September the election is on  Nov 5th which is a Wednesday and that is exactly 5 weeks from yesterday.

We're voting on a Wednesday?  What happened to the first Tuesday after the first Monday?

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Crockett you and all your friends are still voting on the 5th.  Have fun 

[crockett]

We're voting on a Wednesday?  What happened to the first Tuesday after the first Monday?

<edit>

Crockett you and all your friends are still voting on the 5th.  Have fun 

Yea your right Nov 5th is the day the winner is officially announced. I always thinking of it as Nov 5th because of that Ron Paul add campain.

ok so we have exactlly 5 weeks from Tuesday..