Author Topic: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now  (Read 425 times)

Offline Widewing

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8801
Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« on: September 26, 2008, 01:31:50 PM »
So, why do they insist on getting the conservative Republicans to sign on?

Because, if the bailout fails, they don't want to go down alone....



My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

Offline Yeager

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10167
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 01:32:44 PM »
they want the entire compliment of rats to go down with the ship, not just those running the bilge pumps.
"If someone flips you the bird and you don't know it, does it still count?" - SLIMpkns

Offline Elfie

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6143
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 01:33:55 PM »
What parts of the Paulson plan are the Republicans objecting to?
Corkyjr on country jumping:
In the end you should be thankful for those players like us who switch to try and help keep things even because our willingness to do so, helps a more selfish, I want it my way player, get to fly his latewar uber ride.

Offline MORAY37

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2318
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 02:09:18 PM »
So, why do they insist on getting the conservative Republicans to sign on?

Because, if the bailout fails, they don't want to go down alone....



My regards,

Widewing

Which, in my estimation, makes both sides responsible when the system fails.  Dems for wanting a bipartisan bill.... Repubs for not allowing one. 
Crazy times, I say.
"Ocean: A body of water occupying 2/3 of a world made for man...who has no gills."
-Ambrose Bierce

Offline Dos Equis

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 365
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2008, 03:24:26 PM »
Which, in my estimation, makes both sides responsible when the system fails.  Dems for wanting a bipartisan bill.... Repubs for not allowing one. 
Crazy times, I say.

I agree with MORAY37. The Dems should be standing hard now, forcing a tax on Wall St. transactions to pay for this mess. I am ashamed of the party, but before I get too ashamed, I want to see the final legislation complete, and what regulations are in there.

The FBI raided AIG yesterday. People are going to the hole for this.

Offline Mr No Name

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1835
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2008, 03:37:55 PM »
tax tax tax... that solves nothing and destroys everything... we need to cut taxes to stimulate GROWTH and investment in business to get us out of this mess... the government caused this mess and if they get out of the way it can be fixed by private industry... no need for any bailouts on our dime.
Vote R.E. Lee '24

Offline FrodeMk3

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2481
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2008, 03:42:20 PM »
So, why do they insist on getting the conservative Republicans to sign on?

Because, if the bailout fails, they don't want to go down alone....



My regards,

Widewing

Pretty much...Where's a good third-party when you need them???

Offline SkyRock

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7758
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2008, 03:47:40 PM »
Pretty much...Where's a good third-party when you need them???

Triton28 - "...his stats suggest he has a healthy combination of suck and sissy!"

Offline Chalenge

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15179
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 03:51:12 PM »
At this point no plan is going to work for long. Its been borrow borrow borrow for so long its just a matter of time before the hole falls in on itself because the same tactic is used every time. Politicians should not be making these decisions because without the cushy jobs of living off the American taxes they could not make it on their own brain power.

Better buy some land to grow your own food and do it soon.

At least now we wont need torches and pitch forks to get rid of them. When the next crisis hits they will be running for their lives.
If you like the Sick Puppy Custom Sound Pack the please consider contributing for future updates by sending a months dues to Hitech Creations for account "Chalenge." Every little bit helps.

Offline lyric1

  • Skinner Team
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10687
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2008, 03:53:46 PM »
tax tax tax... that solves nothing and destroys everything... we need to cut taxes to stimulate GROWTH and investment in business to get us out of this mess... the government caused this mess and if they get out of the way it can be fixed by private industry... no need for any bailouts on our dime.
The only issue I would have on this comment & being a resident here in Ohio every tax break company's seem to get they only use it to invest in out sourcing there product to Chinese manufacturers.

Offline crockett

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3420
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2008, 04:07:06 PM »
What parts of the Paulson plan are the Republicans objecting to?

They agree that it will pass even the conservatives, however they are bickering about what they can get out of it. It's going to pass one way or another no matter if it's a good plan or a bad one. They aren't arguing about if it will pass just trying to get their own stuff in it. Typical govt BS.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2008, 04:08:37 PM by crockett »
"strafing"

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2008, 05:57:28 PM »
Pretty much...Where's a good third-party when you need them???

At www.lp.org/

All we need now is enough people with the balls to pull the lever for them.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Mr No Name

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1835
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 06:37:16 PM »
well, lyric... I can explain that honestly.  We have the second HIGHEST capital gains tax in the world.  This discourages investment in factories and other production facilities here.  The communist chinese also have very few environmental or osha type laws.  We cripple our businesses with these.  They also use slave labor in communist china, we have minimum wage laws, unemployment insurance, frivolous lawsuits by the environmental groups and required environmental impact studies before the first shovel of dirt can be dug.  We need to turn capitalism loose to start the economy.  Our idiotic bailout was caused by government giving a wink and a nod to those who gave way way too much money to people who were a crappy credit risk to buy houses priced more than double the actual value without so much as a nickel down payment... still worse, they often loaned out 125% of the aforementioned overinflated price.  The government took away the risk.  Had these businesses had to do business with the usual risks involved, they would not have made the shady loans that they made at all.

Unleash the capitalists like we did in the 80's... they will find domestic sources of fuel, build sufficient delivery systems as well as alternative fuels...  They will also start businesses and expand existing ones if they have an incentive to do so.  We are tying our own hands behind our backs by overtaxation and overregulation.  I do not want the taxpayer to be on the hook for any of this mess, it is unfair to all of us.  As I stated in an older thread, I believe that "If you made a bad loan to an unqualified buyer - IT SUCKS TO BE YOU! and If you signed a mortgage that you could not afford, IT SUCKS TO BE YOU!" 

This is America, we don't need the government to be our mamas and daddies... We have always taken care of ourselves when the government gets the hell out of the way.  To Quote the great one: "We do not support government bailouts of private institutions, Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself."   and also:  "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price." -Ronald Reagan
Vote R.E. Lee '24

Offline Stalwart

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1055
Re: Dems have enough votes to pass Paulson bailout deal now
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2008, 04:06:57 AM »
Love that Reagan quote.  McCain likes to quote Reagan too, but he'll prolly vote for a bailout.

What happend to capitalism?  Isn't this a market opportunity for some very rich people to start a bank.