Debate

[FrodeMk3]

If George W. Bush, John McCain, or Barack Obama had any honesty and integrity, they would approach the current banking malady in much the same way that President Andrew Jackson did. In discussing the Bank Renewal bill with a delegation of bankers in 1832, Jackson said, “Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”


From a guy on Buchanan's website.  Would love Mcain to say things like this.

LOL...The bank's of Jackson's time were just that. Banks.

Today, they are organization's that oversee the creation and downfall of governments, leaders, and political movements worldwide. I'd like to see Bush use those same words today on Wall Street.

[mg1942]

I can't say that I agree that Obama controlled the debate about the economy.  Many of his proposals should have been painfully transparent to any thinking voter, and McCain countered them fairly well. 

However, Obama should thank his lucky stars that Newt Gingrich wasn't debating him about the economy.  I have the feeling that Newt would have eaten him alive on the painful reality of actually having to fund his new programs.  For instance, the proposed punitive tax on the evil oil industries would make it impossible for them to take any meaningful steps toward developing alternative fuel sources, and they are the very entities best suited to develop them.  Newt made the statement during an interview last week that anyone who thinks taxing corporate profits will not have an effect on the average American isn't really in tune with reality, for millions of those same Americans are employed by those corporations, and could face all sorts of dire consequences as a result.

McCain started slower, but finished stronger.   That's good enough to win most prize fights.

Actually I question that the entrenched oil industries are the best entities to develop new technologies because they're going to roll things out in a manner that protects the existing revenue streams. New tech usually comes from start up companies. There's even a name for the phenom: disruptive technologies.

Electricity was a disruptive technology for the whale oil industry.
(bleep)

[Mr No Name]

If you guys elect ME in November I PROMISE to kick the seat of the pants of anyone who I think is being a tool personally and on live coast to coast television - doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic!

[MORAY37]

Tonight, for what it's worth.... McCain lost the election, but not on substance.  I actually thought he was surprisingly decent.  I'm one of those Independents everyone talks so much about.  His arguments were sometimes good on substance, if not thick at times.

Where he lost is this.... Tonight I watched him and saw an angry, crotchety old man.  He did not give his opponent any sort of credit, and seemed to hold open contempt for him.  I saw an old man so set in his ways, so as not to listen to any opinion other than those who agree with him.  He wouldn't look at Obama.  Sneered at him.

 Basically, acted like a 72 year old 5 year old.

Mark my words.  He lost the election tonight.  (when he was good on substance).  Many, many people will be turned off by his attitude, and open disrespect toward his opponent.

Of course some of you, who didn't get any love from daddy, will love him for it. You will say he is "strong".   I simply said, may people won't like this image of John McCain, hunched over like the Emperor in Star Wars, grumbling angry words about Obama.  McCain's performance was not one of strength.... Ask Barack what happened when he lightly shunned Hillary.  (dropped 9 points the next day)

IMO, even when the substantive argument went to McCain, Obama still acted more presidential.  More grown up, and respectful.   Obama narrowly wins this debate, based on this.  McCain, loses the election if he continues to act like a geriatric old bastard. 

[lowZX14]

I thought McCain treated Obama decently.  He did get a little condescending to him, but if you had that much life experience, wouldn't you?  He repeatedly referred to his opponent as Sen. Obama who in turn was calling him John.  I know these guys know each other, but I believed McCain showed a little more class.

That's not a fake smile on his face, it's his smile.  The man has had multiple surgeries, so it's gotta be pretty tough to smile anyway.  I think it showed Obama getting agitated toward then end when he couldn't get a word in, and I don't blame McCain.  The more you get your word in and the less your opponent, the better chance it will stick in the minds of the people you're talking to.

[Shuckins]

There was no lack of civility on either side, at least from what I observed.  In a debate such as this, both speakers are obliged to go after each other on the issues, and that is what they did.   One could say that they respected each other, if not each other's ideas. 

My wife, on the other hand, offered an observation that was in direct contrast to Moray's:  she thought that it was Obama who was sneering and condescending.  I didn't see it that way, but she's a hard case....

[Yeager]

LOL...The bank's of Jackson's time were just that. Banks.

Today, they are organization's that oversee the creation and downfall of governments, leaders, and political movements worldwide. I'd like to see Bush use those same words today on Wall Street.

Can you say "grassy knoll"

[Hangtime]

If George W. Bush, John McCain, or Barack Obama had any honesty and integrity, they would approach the current banking malady in much the same way that President Andrew Jackson did. In discussing the Bank Renewal bill with a delegation of bankers in 1832, Jackson said, “Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”


From a guy on Buchanan's website.  Would love Mcain to say things like this.

Seems the old dead guy had some more choice words after he crushed the Central Bank.. framed as an interesting warning:
 
"The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."
 
Hmmmm... maybe it was the folks that own the banks...
 
"It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes."
 
Well, it can't be any better if they feed at the government trough..
 
"I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic; inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country."
 
And, damn if it isn't such a hot idea to put the money press in the hands of a congressional oversight committee made up of wall street puppets.. let alone a former Goldman Sachs CEO treasury secretary.
 
"If Congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations."
 
It seems we've been here before...  at least according to History. Wonder if a candidate will get the memo.
 
*sigh*

[Hangtime]

That's not a fake smile on his face, it's his smile.  The man has had multiple surgeries, so it's gotta be pretty tough to smile anyway. 

If you see his teeth, then that's not a 'fond smile'. 

[Stalwart]

Maybe with stem cell and genetics research we could create the son of Andrew Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt to be our next candidate for president.  (lol I don't mean that in a gay way)

[A8TOOL]

You know what I find funny, some of you republicans on here always resort to the name calling, it's Osama Obama, or other things like that, yet I really haven't seen any democrats resort to the same level of name calling.

Heheh, I don't know why I said Osama..... I meant to say Senator McCain should have started calling him Barack instead of Senator Obama.


Barack Hussein Obama II is his full name

[Thruster]

Did anyone catch the first thing Barack said to Michelle after he left the podium at the end? As I recall another midwest senator was noted for saying the same thing.

[Rash]

Don't feel out of place Tool, Obama called John, Tom several times.

[myelo]

Oh so you missed his campaign mocking that McCain cant use a computer?  (Due to the severe torture and breaking of his arms to the North Vietnamesse in prison)

So the reason he can't use a computer is his arm injuries?

Maybe Steven Hawking can email him some tips.

[SirLoin]

Looks like Obama was right about the Kissinger comment, Katie Curric said after her interview with Palin she called Kissinger and ask him what his stand was, he said that he does support meetings with unsavory leaders without pre-conditions.

She's in counsel with Kissenger?...Must be some kind off coverup in the works.