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Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« on: September 27, 2008, 01:41:53 PM »
OK, we all like to wench.

That's not enough. There isn't a whole lot you can do but you can do something. Write your Congressional Representatives, both Senators and Congressmen and tell them what you want done. They work for YOU. It's a small thing, but hey.. ya do what you can until the Revolution becomes inevitable. You want to be able to say you gave them a chance to avoid it. ;)

This is what I wrote. Feel free to use any or all of it.  Thanks for making the effort, no matter what your political persuasion happens to be!

Find your reps E-mail addys here:

 http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

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Congressman:

I am sick an tired of my government taking money from the common man to bail out the insanely rich people that continually screw up our economy.

The current Treasury/Fed/Administration plan screws the taxpayers and rewards the weasels that caused the problem.

This is an opportunity for you to distance yourself from the Wall Street Elite Thieves and stand up for the average American taxpayer.

Let's make sure the taxpayer doesn't get screwed. Let's make sure that the taxpayer actually gets something out of this. Ritchie Rich guy and the Wall Street Thieves should be happy to get out of it with their skin still on. They deserve punishment, not reward.

There should be no rush to pass something here. This is the time for a careful, well thought out solution to this problem. There have been several plans put forward that solve this crisis from the bottom up instead of the top down.

Professor Allan Meltzer has a better plan; please pay attention to his comments in this PBS roundtable:
 
 http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/bailouttalk_09-23.html


Meltzer:
 
"Well, I've listened to governments tell me for 40 years that there was a crisis and the world was going to fall apart if we didn't do this or that. But there have been a few cases where they weren't able to do that.

One was the commercial paper crisis in 1970. There have been several others. The world did not fall apart. Last week, we had Lehman Brothers went into bankruptcy. Within three days, most of the assets were sold.

We had AIG turn down three offers to buy the company because they thought they would get a better deal from the government. It turned out they didn't get the better deal from the government. Now the stockholders suddenly woke up and said -- the major stockholders said, "We'd like to buy the company."

Well, that's what I think we need to do. We need to get the government's hand out of this, and let's see whether we can't get a market solution.

The market people caused this problem. They ought to be the ones that pay the cost of having it cleaned up.
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Yes. I don't want to join a debate about different ways of picking the public's pocket. I think, if they're going to do something -- and I don't think that we really need to do anything. I've heard these stories over and over for 40 years. You know, maybe there will be a crisis.

But despite all the talk, Main Street is not doing so badly. And the fact is that they've been predicting disaster since January. It hasn't happened.

And if they're going to do something, then what they ought to do is make loans, which the financial institutions have to repay with interest. And if you think -- that's an idea which the Chileans have used in a bigger crisis than this for them in 1982, and it worked for them.

People paid back the loans. They weren't allowed to pay dividends until they repaid the loans. They weren't allowed to take bonuses until they repaid the loans. I think that's the way -- if we're going to do this, then that's the way we should do it."
 
Ian Welsh has a good plan too, one that would revitalize the housing market:
 
http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/how-to-bail-out-ordinary-mortgage-holders-and-not-just-banks/

Welsh
 
"The government is talking about setting up a Trust to buy distressed debt then sell it again. The problem is that the Trust company will simply bail out banks at taxpayer expense without helping mortgage holders much. The mortgages it sells will still be underwater, or too expensive for many people to service, especially as their houses lose value.

The other proposal, just giving money to people to pay for their mortgages, is bad also. Housing prices are actually dropping, most mortgages issues were bad mortgages with horrible penalty clauses, based on assumptions about housing values which are just wrong. House prices are going to keep dropping.

What the government should do instead is set up a Trust to buy mortgages at a discount, then reset them to 20, 30 or 50 year fixed mortgages with a reduced face amount. If the house is later sold, half of the increase goes to the government, so that taxpayers make a profit. The mortgage cannot be paid off before the end of its term so that financial scavengers cannot come around and, as they did over the last ten years, say "get rid of that mortgage, and take ours. It's better. Honest!", because we know that when they say better, they don't mean better for the mortgage holder. The mortgage is attached to the property and is transferred to any new buyer. And the mortgage cannot be removed from the property, and any new mortgages attached to the property are junior to the government mortgage.

End results:

a) a floor is set for mortgage prices. (Whatever discount the government is buying at. Probably 60% to 70%, but it should be based on what the long run price was in the area before the housing bubble.) This ends the confidence crisis in these securities, because there is now a market price—what the Trust will pay.

b) It helps homeowners stay in their homes.

c) It gets rid of overly complex mortgages and puts in their place a dead simple mortgage that anyone can understand.

d) It punishes lenders, which they deserve, for making loans they should never have made.

e) While it does keep homeowners in their homes, it doesn't let them off scot-free either. In exchange for a good mortgage they can service, they give up some of the future profits on sales in their houses.

f) The government will almost certainly make a long term profit on this. This is important, because it's not fair for people who aren't underwater on mortgages to spend hundreds of billions or trillions bailing out those who are without some expectation that in the end it won't be more than just a transfer of wealth to them and to investors and banks."

Congressman, the ball isn't in your court, it's not a tennis ball. It's a 99mph fastball headed right over the plate with two strikes on Congress, 2 outs, bottom of the 9th.

Congress either hits this one out of the park or goes home a loser.
 
Please do something for the American Taxpayer instead of for the fools that got us into this mess and will bail out of it with $40 million golden parachutes.
 




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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 02:03:16 PM »
I did my part, I emailed my Representative and both US Senators.  :rock
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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 02:25:40 PM »
I hope you proof read that a few more times before you send it.

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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2008, 02:54:42 PM »
I also emailed both Senators and the Representative. 

To my shock, one of the Senators actually responded.

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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 03:28:30 PM »
Thank you for your e-mail.  It is very important to me to know the issues
that are of concern to you.  A growing number of my constituents are now
choosing to communicate with me via e-mail.  I hope you will understand
that, because of the volume and range of e-mails I receive, it can take
some time to send a response that specifically addresses the subject
raised in your message.  I do, however, want to let you know immediately
that your message has been received.  Hearing from you and others through
e-mail helps me to quickly learn the views and interests of  New Yorkers
and others, which is very helpful to me in my work in the United States
Senate.   I hope you will continue to monitor my work through my website
at http://clinton.senate.gov, and I welcome hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton


*sigh*

We're screwed. ;)
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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 03:36:04 PM »
Or they're screwed.  ;)


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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 03:41:45 PM »
Yup. I changed the second to last line to:

"You either hit this one out of the park or face an anti-incumbent election I will participate enthusiastically in."


The image I'll send 'em from an anonymous machine down at the library. ;)

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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2008, 04:22:30 PM »
Pitchforks.




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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2008, 11:21:01 PM »
Pitchforks.




Pitchforks and torches, in front of the courthouse, at midnight.

If we don't have a pitchfork is it ok to bring a rake or a shovel?   :devil
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 11:42:35 PM »
lol


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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 11:42:57 PM »
Yup. I changed the second to last line to:

"You either hit this one out of the park or face an anti-incumbent election I will participate enthusiastically in."


The image I'll send 'em from an anonymous machine down at the library. ;)

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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 11:53:30 PM »
I got a form letter back from Senator Salazar.

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Dear Friend:
 
Thank you for your e-mail message.  Hearing from Coloradans is important to me.  I will respond to your concerns in the near future.  If you need assistance from my office or if you need help dealing with a federal agency, please use the link below to access our casework form.  If you are not a Colorado resident, I encourage you to contact the U.S. Senators from your state directly. 
 
Once again, thank you for contacting me.
 
http://salazar.senate.gov/contact/case.cfm

Ghey.....
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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2008, 01:23:23 AM »
"You either hit this one out of the park or face an anti-incumbent election in which I will participate enthusiastically."



Gawdammit, that's two of those this month, orificer! Crap! How come you guys are never around when a liberal dangles a participial?
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2008, 05:02:46 AM »
Well, I am nearly positive that this was written by an aide, but it was written by someone.  I say that because of the use of the bold phrase, which I used in my email.


"Thank you for writing to me about the Bush Administration's proposal to bail out the financial industry. It's good to hear from you.

 

There's no question that we are in a credit crisis. People who have saved for their retirement, been faithful in paying their mortgage, and worked hard to pay for college are wondering, 'What is going on?'

 

They've watched Wall Street executives pay themselves lavish salaries. They've watched irresponsible lending practices. They've watched casino economics, gambling on risky investment mechanisms. Now those very same Americans who've worked hard and played by the rules are being asked to pay the bill for those who didn't.

 

Congress must act promptly to restore confidence and stability in the economy. But I will not be stampeded into voting for the Bush Administration bill. During the last seven years, every time there's a crisis, they generate fear and they generate bad ideas. This three-page bill gives the Secretary of the Treasury unlimited power to intervene in our financial markets without any review by Congress, agencies, or courts. It cannot be rubber stamped by the Congress.

 

At the minimum, the plan must be limited and temporary - not open-ended. There can't be any golden parachutes that reward executives for their excesses and their recklessness. No blank checks. There also must be a plan for those who have been hit hardest by the mortgage crisis.




Knowing of your views is very helpful to me. I will keep them in mind as the Senate continues to debate the President's economic plan.

 

Thanks again for getting in touch. Please let me know if I can be of assistance to you in the future.


Sincerely,
Barbara A. Mikulski
United States Senator "



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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2008, 08:11:47 AM »
I got a form letter back from Senator Salazar.

Ghey.....

Yeah, that's what I'm getting too. I think that's the automated answer sent out to make you feel they got your message.

You will eventually get some boilerplate BS statement designed not to offend anyone that sorta-kinda gives their postion in a deniable way.

That's not important.

The important thing is your letter got marked down on a tally sheet logging input either for or against the bailout. They will lick their finger and hold it up to see which way the wind is blowing. Your input helps form the breeze.

Good on ya.
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