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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2008, 10:32:45 AM »
 Toad :salute...Sent your comments to my reps   Thanks  Great Idea
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2008, 11:40:20 AM »
yeah, i have sent many e-mails over the years, you usually get a standard reply back, except once a e-mailed my state district rep ( state gov not federal) and he actually sent me back a personal message. He must not get many e-mails or was having a slow day.

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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2008, 03:23:53 PM »
I wrote something about Socialism not being tolerated. 


Haven't heard back yet though, don't know why.
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2008, 03:42:21 PM »
I'd send an e-mail to Chris Dodd, but I'd be arrested if it contained what I really feel about that man.

That poor excuse for a leader is the Chairman of the Banking Committee and is one of the key individuals responsible for this mess, not to mention he received funds from CountryWide Mortage in the form of a very low rate mortage through a special 'VIP' program.
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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2008, 04:05:51 PM »
Well.. I got 'acknowledgments' (as posted above) from my two liberal senators. have heard nothin else.

However, I posted my version of Toads Flamer to my brother out in Oregon, who used it to club his rep and two senators. Here's the reply:

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Yo, Bro..

Just to show that you are not the ONLY one still up at 2:00am!!  Still nothing from my Senators, BUT my Representative is awake.  Here's the reply. Anything from your jokers yet?  -Stu


-----Original Message-----
From: Congressman Peter DeFazio [mailto:or04ima@mail.house.gov]
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 11:25 AM
To: xxxx@charter.net
Subject: Reply from Congressman Peter DeFazio

Dear Mr. <edited>:

Thank you for contacting me about the Bush Administration bailout. I am vehemently opposed to this bailout.

I was the first Member of Congress to take to the House floor and stand up in opposition to this $700 billion bailout. The financial crisis we face today does not need to be resolved by forking over $700 billion from the taxpayer to the "Masters of the Universe" on Wall Street.

The fundamental premise of the $700 billion Bush Administration bailout is flawed, reckless, and foolish. It is flawed because it is not clear it will achieve its stated objective of injecting commercial banks with liquidity and it ignores the needs of main street America, it is reckless because there are better alternatives, and it is foolish because giving away $700 billion will limit our ability to deal with the myriad of other problems we face such as healthcare, energy independence, and job creation.

To put the sheer audacity of this bailout plan in perspective, a compromise has been talked about that reduces the initial payments to "only $250 billion". $250 billion would more than double our investment in bridges, highways, transit, and rail in the United States for five years. Investing in infrastructure creates jobs and stimulates the economy. According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, for every $1.25 billion we invest in infrastructure, we will create over 30,000 jobs and $6 billion in additional economic activity. In President Roosevelt's Works Progress Administration, we invested in building roads, bridges, dams, hydroelectric systems and other public works projects to mend our nation's broken economy.  That money trickled up to Wall Street from Main Street and rebuilt our economy.  We did not just throw money at Wall Street with the hopes that the taxpayer might some day be paid back.    

I think Congress should respond, but the basic premise of the Bush Administration bailout is flawed. Almost 200 economists wrote to Congress stating "As economists, we want to express to Congress our great concern for the plan proposed by Treasury Secretary Paulson"[1]. The letter went on to raise the issues of fairness, ambiguity, and the long-term effects. The former chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp in the Reagan Administration wrote, "I have doubts that the $700 billion bailout, if enacted, would work. Would banks really be willing to part with the loans, and would the government be able to sell them in the marketplace on terms that the taxpayers would find acceptable?"[2]  And James Galbraith, an economist at the University of Texas, has asked "Now that all five big investment banks -- Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley -- have disappeared or morphed into regular banks, a question arises. Is this bailout still necessary?"[3] I believe the answer is No. I have called on my colleagues to slow down this debate and seriously debate the alternative proposals.

For example, many economists have argued that directly helping mortgage holders save their houses would be astronomically cheaper and a more effective in resolving this crisis. And helping working Americans restructure their homer mortgage will increase the value of Wall Street's depreciated assets. As the New York Time opinioned recently:

"We could make a strong moral argument that the government has a greater responsibility to help homeowners than it does to bail out Wall Street. But we don't have to. Basic economics argues for a robust plan to stanch foreclosures and thereby protect the taxpayers ."[4]

Another serious consequence is the $700 billion hole in the budget deficit this bailout will create. The next administration, Democratic or Republican, will be unable to initiate new proposals as it charts a new course for our nation. The Bush tax cuts blew the surplus created by the last Democratic Administration and the Bush Administration bailout will prevent the next administration from implementing its mandate.

My biggest concern of this bailout is who pays the $700 billion tab. The $700 billion is to protect Wall Street investors, therefore the same Wall Street investors should pay for this infusion of taxpayer money.  I have proposed a minimal securities transfer tax of  ? of one percent. A securities transfer tax would have a negligible impact on the average investor and provide a disincentive to high volume, speculative short-term traders. Similar tax proposals have been supported by many esteemed economists such as Larry Summers, John Maynard Keynes and Nobel prize winners Joseph Stiglitz and James Tobin.

There is considerable precedent for this. The United States had a similar tax from 1914 to 1966. The Revenue Act of 1914 levied a 0.2% tax on all sales or transfers of stock. In 1932, Congress more than doubled the tax to help finance economic reconstruction programs during the Great Depression. In 1987, Speaker of the House Jim Wright offered his support for a financial transaction tax. And today the UK has a modest financial transaction tax of 0.5 percent. This is a reasonable approach to protecting taxpayers and ensuring the federal budget doesn't fall further into the fiscal hole.

I will continue to challenge this bailout every step of the way. Again, thanks for reaching out to me. Please keep in touch.
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[1] http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/john.cochrane/research/Papers/mortgage_protest.htm

[2] Washington Post. A Better Way to Aid Banks. William M. Isaac. Sept 27, 2008. A19.

[3] Washington Post. A Bailout We Don't Need. James K. Galbraith. Sept. 25, 2008. A19

[4] New York Times. Editorial. What About the Rest of Us? Sept., 26, 2008. A26.

 
Sincerely,

Rep. Peter DeFazio
Fourth District, OREGON

Note: Defazio is an 11 term democrat!
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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2008, 07:33:37 PM »
lost track of all the amounts, but i did get this email


Here is a bailout I like!!!!

> I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

> Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in

> a We Deserve It Dividend.

> To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000

> bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman

> and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals
> $425,000.00.

> My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a

> We Deserve It Dividend.

> Of course, it would NOT be tax free.

> So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

> Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.

> That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.

> A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

> What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?

> Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.
>
> Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads

> Put away money for college - it'll be there

> Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.

> Buy a new car - create jobs

> Invest in the market - capital drives growth

> Pay for your parent's medica l insurance - health care improves

> Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else

> Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
 who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company

> that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed
> Forces.

> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of
trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed
 by one of our candidates for President.

> If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult
> U S Citizen 18+!

> As for AIG - liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
 Let American General go back to being American General.
 Sell off the real estate.
 Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

> Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
 Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
 But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

> How do you spell Economic Boom?

> I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion

> We Deserve=2 0It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in
> Washington DC.

> And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because
> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

> Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

> Birk
> T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic

> PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a
> laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion!!


i guess you could run the numbers and see if this is correct, wouldnt it be cool if it was and they did it, alot of places i could spend that kind of money any way just thought it was interesting when you break down the per person amount,   if the numbers are correct!


 P.S. i guess that would be alot like the dem tax plan, exept for the giving it back part lol
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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2008, 07:39:20 PM »
Hooooo-RAH! for DeFazio. I'm sending his remarks to ALL Kansas Senators and Reps!

If we only had 500 like him.
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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2008, 07:43:43 PM »
lost track of all the amounts, but i did get this email


Here is a bailout I like!!!!


A liberal beat yah to it. ;)

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,248348.0.html
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Re: Quit wenching, do what you can on this bailout idea.
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2008, 07:48:02 PM »
well like i said i was worried about the math, just too lazy to check it right now

 lol thanks :salute
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2008, 07:48:36 PM »
 :aok
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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2008, 08:50:25 PM »
Sent this to Mike Thompson...Great idea Toad, who knows? It might even help.

Dear Congressman Thompson,

I am writing you to express my opposition to a Wall Street bailout plan.

I am a lifelong Democrat, and active in my party in the Ukiah area, and believe my party best represents the working class values of America. I vote Democrat proudly, and will continue to do so.

However, I am surprised at the Democratic Party's cooperation with the Bush administration to rush into a bailout deal that, on the surface, rewards those who were in charge at the time while penalizing those who worked at these institutions and lost jobs, retirement, savings and even their homes. We see who historically represents the intrests of the institutions, but who represents the intrests of the people victimized by these collapses? I hope it is my party, the Democrats.

It is my wish my representatives look more closely at who benefits, who doesn't, and, most of all, who pays for a bailout plan. It is my hope I can continue to vote Democrat secure in the knowledge you have my best intrests at heart.

Thank you,

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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2008, 08:52:45 PM »
LOL... damn. If I didn't know better.. ;)

ROFL!
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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2008, 09:05:00 PM »
Good on ya Carrel!

I think you are way too nice with him but hey, you're one of them relaxed Kali dudes.

I personally think a little fire and brimstone is in order but I'm glad you wrote. We all need to remind them just exactly who they are working for while they are in DC.

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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2008, 09:37:41 PM »
I tried to call my "congressman" William "Dollar Bill" Jefferson but his mailbox was full. I guess he has problems being all indicted and everything. I am glad that at this hour it seems house Republicans are revolting. This hysterical nonsense has to stop NOW. Has Bush recently had a brain seizure or something? He needs to withdraw his plea for the bailout and fire Paulson immediately.

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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2008, 09:45:49 PM »
Here's an internet petition against the bailout..

http://www.nowallstreetbailout.com/