Another perspective on McCain vs Obama

[bustr]

Well we have to be careful of who the President chooses to surround himself with so we don't get any Grant administrations.

How do you include yourslef in this "WE"....sounds like a Liberal politician getting buyin from the rubes.

[68valu]

Well we have to be careful of who the President chooses to surround himself with so we don't get any Grant administrations.

"WE" dont always have a say so in that matter.

[Hangtime]

The prez of the USA can still flick us down to Neanderthal level with a button? Or drop down troops anywhere?
Is the USA a dictatorship country then, allowing that power for a single person?
Anyway, why is foreign policy so important with a country that is rich with its own materials????

Why do citizens who's national allegiance is to a minister that wields control of an armed force that could be defeated utterly by the Reno Nevada Police Department find it incomprehensible that the President of the United States of America could, with no more effort than picking a booger, snuff their lil pipsqueek playland outta existence?

Is it because we wouldn't care.. or that nobody else would notice?

[Bodhi]

Well said. I think we can both agree that what makes a great leader is not only personal abilities, but also the ability to choose the best staff possible. Some Presidents have failed in this respect, trusting either their own misunderstood opinion, or hiring the wrong advisor (Bush 2.0 is the immediate example that springs to mind), while some Presidents have succeeded greatly by hiring the right people (Nixon hiring Kissinger, for example).

So, based on Obama's choice's of association and advice so far (Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and a host of others), you would agree that John McCain is the better one at association.

[mg1942]

Eisehhower mentored under MacArthur and was picked as the youngest theater supream commander in U.S. history. His leadership brought the allies to victory over Germany. Then he became a 2 term Republican president of the United States over seeing almost a decade of growth and prosparity.

If you're trying to prove a point with that one, don't. There are a lot of factors that go into things like victory in large-scale battles and a nation's growth and prosperity. A single man can't direct all of that - many factors are outside of their control. Don't wrongly attribute "luck" (being in the right place at the right time) with experience or skill.

[Hangtime]

Explain the Victory at Midway... without luck.

[Elfie]

And...the USA used to support Bin Laden.

You say that like it was a bad thing to do at the time. It wasn't. We supported all of the Mujahideen, including bin Laden's arab fighters in their fight against the Soviet troops. It happened at the climax of the Cold War. As soon as the Soviets left, we dropped our support and more or less forgot about Afghanistan and the Mujahideen we had supported for so long. Our mistake wasn't in supporting them in the first place, it lay in our abandonment of them when the Soviets left.

[Toad]

Hell, we supplied Joe Stalin with war material. Guess that just proves how evil we really were/are.

[soda72]

Probably find a picture with FDR shaking hands with Stalin to...
 

[mg1942]

A more complete analogy would be McCain vs. Obama = Montgomery vs. Slim, with McCain clearly being Montgomery and Obama being Slim.

Montgomery was conceited, boastful, and often went against the majority. He was a "maverick" that always thought he knew best, and never accepted any of his failings. I could go farther, but, quite literally, almost every personal detail of Montgomery's personality matches up to the personality that McCain is desperatly trying to sell to the American audience (not to mention sometimes rash decisions based on preconceived notions, etc).

[Hangtime]

dude.

that's messed up.

[mg1942]

So, based on Obama's choice's of association and advice so far (Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and a host of others), you would agree that John McCain is the better one at association.

seriously man...
people have GOT to stop this flimsy Ayers, Wright argument.

I listened to the extended Wright interview and that really put everything into context, his words (they were extreme yes) were parceled and soundbited to death.

[68valu]

seriously man...
people have GOT to stop this flimsy Ayers, Wright argument.

I listened to the extended Wright interview and that really put everything into context, his words (they were extreme yes) were parceled and soundbited to death.

why must we stop?
What is so flimsy about it?

are we not judged by the company we keep?

or must we quit because it is "damaging" and accurate?

[Stalwart]

Is the USA a dictatorship country then, allowing that power for a single person?

Angus, The powers of the US President are limited by the US Constitution.  The President is elected every four years.  And, these are not like Sadam's Iraqi elections, or the Venezuelan elections.  In the United States more power changes hands without disruption of the social fabric than in any other country.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that the "dictatorship" comment was just a case of flippancy.

[Elfie]

A more complete analogy would be McCain vs. Obama = Montgomery vs. Slim, with McCain clearly being Montgomery and Obama being Slim.

Montgomery was conceited, boastful, and often went against the majority. He was a "maverick" that always thought he knew best, and never accepted any of his failings. I could go farther, but, quite literally, almost every personal detail of Montgomery's personality matches up to the personality that McCain is desperatly trying to sell to the American audience (not to mention sometimes rash decisions based on preconceived notions, etc).

 

I'm not sure even Patton had an ego as big as Montgomery's. McCain certainly doesn't match up to Montgomery ego-wise. McCain has put his country ahead of himself at least twice, everything Montgomery did was for his own glory.