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Offline Nwbie

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Hers a thought
« on: September 27, 2008, 10:29:33 PM »
Copy of email i received
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The Birk Economic Recovery PLan

Hi Pals,

I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a We Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000
bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it'll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out
a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .

And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned
instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

Kindest personal regards,

Birk

T. J. B., A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 10:42:37 PM »
The only problem is the math does not work.

It comes out to $425 a person.  A little more than the last $600 check most Americans received.
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2008, 12:39:11 AM »
Should do that with the whole 700 Billion bail out and we could get 3.4 million each  :)
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 12:41:03 AM »
Should do that with the whole 700 Billion bail out and we could get 3.4 million each  :)

700,000,000,000.00 / 100,000,000 taxpayers is not 3,400,000, it is 7,000
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Offline Mr No Name

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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 12:52:20 AM »
Keep doing the math Holden!  Call the liberals in here so they can learn what a failure wealth redistribution would be!

My theory is that if you took every dime in the US and divided it equally, within 6 months (probably far sooner) you would again have the very wealthy and the very poor... largely divided on the same exact lines as before!
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2008, 01:00:35 AM »
Mr. No Name,
And why do you think that? Because some people are just prone to a higher work ethic, perhaps a bit luckier than others, but mostly willing to invest in their future, rather than aquiring "stuff" as a first priority?

And how many of you have seen this??

September 30, 1999

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES

In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.
The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans.. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.
In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.
''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''
Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.
In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.
''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''


Under Fannie Mae's pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 -- a rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point premium is dropped.
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market. By expanding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings.
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2008, 01:02:52 AM »
Exactly HB555, Work Ethic, sound judgment, LUCK.. ALL of it comes into play... nice read BTW.
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2008, 01:09:49 AM »
Thank you, but I have an unfair advantage over many.
I am 61 years old, had a dad who could beat me when I needed it, always had a shoulder for me to cry on when I needed it, and taught me, among many other things, that to have all that I needed in this life, I had to work for it.
I enjoyed your post and the way it was worded. Guessing you may be an older guy too.
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2008, 01:19:42 AM »
I am 44, raised in the Augusta, GA area... My dad took care of business when he needed to, but by the time I was 5 I learned the futility of challenging him, so he didn't have to put me back in line very often LOL.  As a teen, he planted a 2 acre "garden" to keep my brother and I from getting into trouble as preteens and teens while he and my mother worked during the summer.  It wasn't enough to be full-time slave labor BUT it was enough to keep us close to home and perhaps a bit too tired to get into too much trouble!

I had a very smart dad.
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2008, 01:23:07 AM »
And he raised a son smart enough to realize it.
 :salute to both of you.
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2008, 05:22:00 AM »
 1 billion=1000 x 1 million
1 trillion=100,000 x 1 million

 Raise the debt to 11.3 trillion. 700 billion dollar bailout 700 billion and no one is sure if this will work. According to John McCain, this is the end of the beginning. He may be right. So that brings up a question. Why should we retain any politician that gives away 700 billion dollars of our hard earned tax dollars to wall street fat cats? We don't vote for the banking lobby, we vote for representatives to carry out our will and to look out for our best interests.
 11.3 trillion debt, 700 billion dollar bailout. And in a election year? That is unbridled arrogance.

 Imagine what 700 billion would do to the economy if distributed to the American taxpayer. It would save a lot of foreclosures. The boost to the economy would be enormous since most of this money would be spent immediately. The boon to local business would be unprecedented. Imagine every person on your block suddenly having an extra 20,000 or 200,000 dollars. Instead of a trickle down theory we would have a trickle up reality. Local spending would rise, investments would rise, revenues would increase. Money would be spent where it could be felt. And we wouldn't have to throw a bunch of dead beats out of office.
 


   
 

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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2008, 07:44:18 AM »
you know what makes me mad, i missed out on those nothing down 110% mortgages.  :furious

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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2008, 08:20:20 AM »
"Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending By STEVEN A. HOLMES "

That article is out of the famous conservative newspaper, the New York Times back in '99.

Pretty much gives the lie to the idea that this problem is all the fault of the Republicans, doesn't it?
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2008, 08:34:18 AM »
The only problem is the math does not work.

It comes out to $425 a person.  A little more than the last $600 check most Americans received.
:rofl

Remembering to slash the zeros and not think too hard about it prevents this kind of mistake!

That said, tax payer bailouts to "stimulate" the economy by getting us to spend more are like giving an alcoholic one more drink.
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Re: Hers a thought
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2008, 09:23:48 AM »
Toad.. that is what I said here when this thing first started.. all the usual suspects acted like I had peeed in their fruit loops.

They asked me to show what regulation had caused this mess.   Not so much as regulation but control over lending institutions and the usual strings that liberal socialist government puts on all the programs they help fund.. that worthless socialist ideals be part of those programs...

Anything government touches it trashes.

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