Perk Il-2 37mm cannons

[Ack-Ack]

The Ju87G was armored.

No more armored than the D-3 or D-5 was.


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[Ack-Ack]

The 37mm cannons don't need to be perked, this is just a case of some GVer that got wasted by an IL2 and is looking for a way to stop it from happening again.  No more different from the tools that whine about perking the LA-7 or Spitfire Mk XVI.


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[Anaxogoras]

No more armored than the D-3 or D-5 was.


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And?   The person I responded to said the Ju87 was "unarmored."

The 37mm cannons don't need to be perked, this is just a case of some GVer that got wasted by an IL2 and is looking for a way to stop it from happening again.

Nice straw-man.  How would perking the 37mm cannons prevent Il-2s from busting gv's in the future?

[Charge]

I think it was meant if Ju87G had any additional armour (GtoA) against ground fire. AFAIK it didn't, just the normal rear armour (AtoA) that the earlier models had.

Concerning fighter escorts the G:s many times had no fighter cover other than D-5s that could provide them cover after they had dropped their bombs on flaks making it more secure for G:s to operate at low level.

-C+

[dedalos]

I'll sacrifice myself to the mob of judgment and throw this one out there: perk the 37mm cannons on the Il-2.  I don't know how much they should cost, but any idiot can kill tanks now simply by pointing and shooting.  There's no skill to it at all.

True!!!! Nothing compares to the skill of pointing your cannon and clicking while you are spawn camping 

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True!!!! Nothing compares to the skill of pointing your cannon and clicking while you are spawn camping 

STRAW MAN!  LOL!


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[Bronk]

STRAW MAN!  LOL!


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That's his canned catchall response.

[Anaxogoras]

Nah, it just catches a lot because there's so many here!   In fact, you could say that half of the arguments at this bbs are straw-men.  It's a rare thing when you meet someone who doesn't always assume the person he disagrees with is an idiot.

True!!!! Nothing compares to the skill of pointing your cannon and clicking while you are spawn camping 

I agree.  Spawn camping, vulching, and shooting down Ju-88s should all be perked.

[Anaxogoras]

STRAW MAN!  LOL!


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Horse-laugh.

[BnZ]

The 37mm cannons don't need to be perked, this is just a case of some GVer that got wasted by an IL2 and is looking for a way to stop it from happening again.  No more different from the tools that whine about perking the LA-7 or Spitfire Mk XVI.


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Actually, I've been busting more tanks with ridiculous ease using the thing than the other way around. But I'll be honest enough to admit its fun because tanks ARE sitting ducks for the new 37mms unless they bring a flotilla of WWs.

Everything perked IS perked because it is assumed to be so effective that it would alter the game in an undesirable way. The fact that the Il2 guns make dive-bombing GVs almost superfluous and tanks dead ducks without WW escort might be one argument to perk the things.

[comet61]

I have had better success with the Ostwind than the Wirbel against IL-2's. The IL-2 can definitely soak up more hits from a Wirbel. I have shot down many IL-2's with an Ostwind than a Wirb at a ratio of 5-1. Granted, the IL-2 has taken me out numerous times with just their cannon, but then again so have many other fighter types. On the flipside I also fly the IL-2 against GV's and rarely use bombs or rockets. The 37mm does a fair job of equalizing the situation as does the Ostwind and Wirbel. Therefore, I do not think perking the IL-2 37mm cannon option will really make any difference...not when other non-perked planes can get the same result. Just my 2 cents.

[Widewing]

No one mentioned that the 250 kilo bomb option was removed from the IL-2... This was its best air to ground weapon. So, be happy there was some concession.

Whining about the IL-2 is silly, because I'll kill 'em just as easy with an A-20.

Now, I can understand being miffed about IL-2s swarming tank towns on some maps. However, if a horde of ground vehicles rolls on an airfield, I'm going to kill every one I can.

Most of the time I'll stick with the 23mm cannons for the IL-2 as these are far more effective for air to air. More often than not, after crushing a GV horde, several of them will jump in fighters to go pork the ordnance; admitting that they failed.


My regards,

Widewing

[Stoney]

Everything perked IS perked because it is assumed to be so effective that it would alter the game in an undesirable way. The fact that the Il2 guns make dive-bombing GVs almost superfluous and tanks dead ducks without WW escort might be one argument to perk the things.

Or, it could be an incentive to encourage better team play.  Just because the IL-2 serves as a catalyst for folks to start thinking about air defense capability doesn't mean it deserves to be perked.  Just because it forces you to need a "wingman" on the ground doesn't mean it deserves to be perked.

[Ack-Ack]

Actually, I've been busting more tanks with ridiculous ease using the thing than the other way around. But I'll be honest enough to admit its fun because tanks ARE sitting ducks for the new 37mms unless they bring a flotilla of WWs.

Doesn't mean though it needs to be perked like the OP has suggested.  I can easily kill GVs with a B-25H's 75mm howitzer from beyond d1.5, doesn't mean that gun package needs to be perked. 

As many have pointed out, historically, ground vehicles without effective 1) air cover and/or 2) AA defenses has been fodder for airplanes.  No reason why it shouldn't be the same in here.  The cries of the IL2 is now some how unbalancing because of its 37mm gun package is just that, cries from the dead.  Don't want your GV strafed by an IL2, have some squaddies fly top cover and/or have some up AA GVs to provide cover.

(Not referring to you in the above paragraph BnZ, just some tips for those that are crying about the IL2)


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[Buzzard7]

I don't know how to check this but I think I got an Il2 with my Panzer pintle last night. Lucky I guess. Just started seeing lots of hits while leading him and kept on it. No need for perks just bring support.