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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2008, 01:26:57 AM »
There's better than a 90% chance I'll vote for Obama, and if I had to give one or two reasons why, it's because the Republican party has turned into the Jesus party and has lost all credibility in delivering small government.  There are exceptions, but...
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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2008, 01:36:29 AM »
Yup.

My uncle was a Dole Republican and Bush 2.0 part 1 (2000) Republican.  This time he's voting for Obama.  He's actually surprised when Obama won Iowa caucus.

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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2008, 01:38:43 AM »
There's better than a 90% chance I'll vote for Obama, and if I had to give one or two reasons why, it's because the Republican party has turned into the Jesus party and has lost all credibility in delivering small government.  There are exceptions, but...

In St. Louis, they said that if you critisize Obama, they're gonna prosecute you. Kinda scary isn't it?
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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2008, 01:41:31 AM »
sources?

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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2008, 01:43:38 AM »
DmonSlyr, did you really think you would get a decent answer to your question?  LOL

And a decent answer would be what?

I get tired of the labels.

Lets see.  I work in Social Services, my wife is a Nurse.  Does that make me liberal?
I support the military, believe we have an obligation to our Veterans, believe we need to be able to defend ourselves.  Guess I must be Conservative
I believe we need to provide education for our children.  Is that Liberal or Conservative?  
I watch health care costs rise, and wonder if at some point we need to reform the health care system.  Liberal?
I was raised on the Good Samaritan, believe I have a responsiblity to my neighbor as that's what the point of that story was.  Hmmm  Conservative because that's the foundation of the Christian church?  Hmmm.  I'm not real religious however, figuring my actions mean more.  Liberal?  

Damn, this is confusing.

Can you define it again for me?  I don't seem to have a card in my wallet defining me as either or.  I've recieved nothing in the mail stating which I am either.

What's a person to do?  Guess I might just have to vote based on sizing up the individual running and make my decision based on that instead of some ideology.
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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2008, 01:43:50 AM »
sources?

prolly the flying saucers  :D

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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2008, 02:14:17 AM »
No one "wants" to be a liberal, they're born that way.  Just like the gays that wouldn't "choose" to be gay but are born that way.  Why would one "choose" or "want" to be liberal?  That's just dumb.


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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2008, 02:18:52 AM »
prolly the flying saucers  :D

I get my political opinions, when I need one, from the alien that stops by every few weeks to change the batteries in my anal probe.
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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2008, 03:07:35 AM »
And a decent answer would be what?

I get tired of the labels.

Lets see.  I work in Social Services, my wife is a Nurse.  Does that make me liberal?
I support the military, believe we have an obligation to our Veterans, believe we need to be able to defend ourselves.  Guess I must be Conservative
I believe we need to provide education for our children.  Is that Liberal or Conservative?  
I watch health care costs rise, and wonder if at some point we need to reform the health care system.  Liberal?
I was raised on the Good Samaritan, believe I have a responsiblity to my neighbor as that's what the point of that story was.  Hmmm  Conservative because that's the foundation of the Christian church?  Hmmm.  I'm not real religious however, figuring my actions mean more.  Liberal?  

Damn, this is confusing.

Can you define it again for me?  I don't seem to have a card in my wallet defining me as either or.  I've recieved nothing in the mail stating which I am either.

What's a person to do?  Guess I might just have to vote based on sizing up the individual running and make my decision based on that instead of some ideology.
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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2008, 05:21:49 AM »
Damn sunfan!

You unintentionally created a new label!

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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2008, 06:47:51 AM »
Why would anyone want to be either?

Actually, here's a better question...  What makes someone think that a hardcore Republican is any better for this country than a hardcore Democrat?

Face it...  Both parties have some decent ideas...  Both parties have some great ideas...  And both parties have some horrible ideas.  I don't care if you're a hardline conservative, or liberal.  If you think the hardliners of your party know it all, you're a sheep, and you worry me.

I'm voting for McCain, because the way I see it...  Many of my Republican friends don't like him.  They don't think he's conservative enough.   I've yet to hear my Democrat friends complain about Obama not being Liberal enough.

McCain's voting for Bush's plans 90% of the time thing gets thrown out a lot.  Consider two things: the things he voted against, and the fact that four the past four years, really, it's been election time, and the first thing to do is win your own party's support.  McCain has a reputation for being a maverick.  He has had that for a long, long time.  People don't get that reputation with 10%.

Now we see each candidate taking steps towards the center, to try and appease people like me who want a more moderate president.  That's natural and happens every close election.  But I honestly believe after the election is over, McCain would remain closer to the center than Obama, and that's what this country of many different interests needs.
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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2008, 07:12:12 AM »
i'll bite :D

I am a liberal. I am so because, although I'm not in the top 2-5percentile of net wealth, I still want to be able to vote. I think universal franchise is a good thing (another word for this is democracy.) I dont want my (mine because I got to vote for it, or not) government telling me when and with whom I can associate, or what to think. I like being free to negotiate my salary with whichever employer I find employment, rather than being told what job I should be doing and how much I'll get for it. I like being able to go into a bookshop and chosing which books I can read, rather than being told which I'm allowed to. I like being able to own property, and the social mobility that comes with all of the above. I like being able to practise my religion without persecution. I think for most things free markets provide the best solution. I dont think I should be locked up indefinitely without due process of law. etc etc etc.

I've made this point before - unless your second or third property is in the Hamptons and has 10+ bedrooms, you are a liberal whether you like the label or not.
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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2008, 07:48:28 AM »
please if there any liberals on this forum tell me why you are a liberal

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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2008, 07:59:01 AM »
i'm voting for change, i'm voting against biden, he has been in govt far too long.

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Re: why do people want to be liberals?
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2008, 07:59:48 AM »
please if there any liberals on this forum tell me why you are a liberal

i don't understand the concept and just want to get your point of view

a liberal the way i see it, wants to make government more powerful and wants a socialist democracy.

is this true, why have some of you chosen the path of a liberal for the USA?

I'm just curious i want your point of views!

People for the most part are liberals because the dems have shinier, better produced commercials with more ambiguous slogans that better represent a feeling of helplessness and hopelessness followed by the promise of really cool free stuff.  The rest are victims of white guilt.

Then you have the ruling class of liberals.  These are the ones who are calling the shots and making the rules - because the lower echelons are too stupid to take care of themselves.  These are the liberals who travel across the country and world in private jets and fleets of stretch limos telling the great unwashed masses that they must curb their energy use.  These are the "do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do" liberals.  They are entitled to their lifestyle because they are smarter than you.

It's actually just a culture of entitlement and guilt - each one feeding off of the other; very unhealthy.