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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2008, 07:46:37 PM »
i would fly it more of ith had 150 rounds not 120 i dont know whey it only has 120 it is a very good fighter and i still sometimes use it
And what would 30 rounds do?
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2008, 07:55:35 PM »
What about my 20 ENY P47? HMm?  :)

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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2008, 08:48:44 PM »
Not that I am any good in it but I love to fly the Yak. It provides a change in it's own set of challenges by forcing you to pay attention to your gunnery due to the limited ammo. I also have started to realize just how important it is to manage your throttle in Yak due to it's ability to maintain it's "E". I have come to find out that once you get into a TnB situation full throttle is almost definitely a no-no.

Are they underestimated? I say sure they are.

Should you underestimate them? no because like many others have saidonly thosewith experience will usually fly them and I thinkthis is mostly due to the need for decent gunnery (which I am still working on).

I love the YakIgot my first air to air kill in a Yak9U back in H2H was a shot from 1000 out while he was trying to extend. Funny thing is I got a good shot from the opponent but then again the attitudein H2H was much better than most I have seen in MA's (I guess that is a different subject though). sorry
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2008, 10:24:00 PM »
Disagree. Yak's do not have good saddling-up ability. Their sustained turn rate, simply, is bad.

Heh.  As you, especially, should know, sustained turn rate is not a particularly vital factor in effectiveness.

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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2008, 10:26:22 PM »
30 more cannon rounds would get you 3 kills per ammo load and let you think about a 4th, instead of 2 and think about 3.

What about my 20 ENY P47? HMm?  :)

The D40 is a totally different plane.  Its along with the D25 and the N, are some of the best bomb-trucking fighters in the game.  And they have bullets to spare, so that you can take low percentage shots any time you feel like it.  The Yak 9, either of them, cannot do either of those two things.

I've flown the Yak 9U as my primary ride the past 1.5 tours, and I plan on keeping it my main ride for the October tour.  Its got great speed which is hard to appreciate until you fly it.  I know when I looked up the Yak 9U on Soda's page a year ago and didn't see a red line on the speed/altitude chart, I discounted it immediately.

The guns package makes it even easier to discount it.  Lets face it, one cannon and two 50cals (which they basically are), with very light ammo loads, is a poor, poor, gun package.  Its comparable with the A6M2, which I flew extensively in preparation for Rangoon.  The Yak 9U has the same number of cannon bullets, but all in one cannon instead of two, with the plus side of MUCH better ballistics and spinner mounted.  It also has very little machine gun ammo, compared to the A6M2 which has tons of ammo of a small caliber.  So its practically a wash between those two.

And anyone who has flown either will say the guns package makes it very difficult to rack up more than 3 kills.  There just aren't enough bullets to pull it off.  There's been SO many times I've blown my ammo load trying to get one airplane who's 500 off my twelve and I just can't quite hit them enough to kill them.

Also its hard to really saddle up on someone when A) most fighter planes that are slower have a better roll rate, and B) they can afford to take the Yak 9U's best snapshot as they give up a brief guns solution, and C) they know both of these two things.  So they give you a quick shot, know they will likely survive, and scissors their way behind you... I'm still trying to figure out the counter to it.  Since you must be sparse with your shooting, it also has the weakness of getting more assists than the pilot deserves, instead of kills.

The reason I fly the Yak 9U of late?  My gunnery needed and needs improvement.  They Yak 9U punishes bad gunnery, simple as that.  If and when I land kills, I did something right or I got lucky proxies.  

All this said, its a fun plane to fly due to the sheer speed that doesn't sacrifice all your manuverability.  Its fun to try to outfly someone on your six by diving to the deck and flying through hangers, between trees, under bridges, knowing their plane is too big to follow you (or they have a smaller margin of error), all the while hoping you don't screw it up and crash.  And being 20 base ENY, it racks up good perks (not that I spend any perks).  I think its a great plane to fly given my progression to date as a virtual fighter pilot.  Its just hard but fun.
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2008, 01:47:47 AM »
The 9U is a flat out, pony killer.
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2008, 02:30:16 AM »
Their sustained turn rate, simply, is bad.
I would't call 19.25-20.5dps particularly bad.  109Gs and F6Fs are right there around 20dps also.

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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2008, 08:33:13 AM »
The 9U is a flat out, pony killer.

especially when the p51 is outta WEP and can't extend.  I think with WEP the pony can pull away a bit.

I'll take a yak for a spin every now and again but I'd really have to dedicate a tour or two to it to give a better opinion.  Certainly isn't the worst fighter in the hangar, thats for sure.
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2008, 10:00:53 AM »
The 9U is extremely fast at altitude.  Over 400 mph at 17K but it seems to lose a lot of that speed on the deck.  I don't really like the stiff controls at dive speeds (keep those trim tabs handy) and it seems to me that acceleration on the deck from a slow turn fight isn't great.  It does have a great climb rate.  I find I do best in the 9U as long as I don't get too slow.

It is, as Steve pointed out, a Pony killer and they are one of my favorite targets when I'm in the 9U.

The best thing about the 9U is it's durability and ability to keep flying with damage.  Once I lost my rudder, 1 aileron, 1 elevator, 1 gun and was leaking oil and fuel and still stayed out fighting and engageing cons for almost five more minutes.

The 9T in some ways is a better plane.  Because it's slower its inate turning ability seems better and because it's not as fast as the 9U I guess I just don't mind slowing it down as much, plus, that 37mm cannon is a sweetheart.

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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2008, 04:18:26 PM »
The 9U is extremely fast at altitude.  Over 400 mph at 17K but it seems to lose a lot of that speed on the deck.

390 between 6 and 7 k.  That's wicked fast for being that low and my SOP when I don't know the engagement altitude is to climb to 6.5k and then go level to the target.  No one can accuse me of being an alt monkey but yet I've got a lot of E to be confident if someone comes in higher than me.  Performance drops off a bit when you go higher until past 10k or so, I'd have to check the charts to see exactly where.  I wouldn't bother to climb to 17k unless you're determined to BnZ.  But due to the guns package I don't think its a good BnZer anyways.
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2008, 04:22:57 PM »
The Yak-9u is great to fly.  I never feel under threat when in one.  Bu the my gunnery is so bad I get very frustrated with it so 3 sorties in a row is enough for me.  In the hands of someone with great gunner it is a monster of a plane.
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2008, 04:38:39 PM »
I fly the Yak-9 a lot and it is underestimated. Plus, the first plane i made a successful landing in was the Yak. Only real disadvantage is the armament.

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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2008, 05:29:16 PM »
Yaks and f4u's are the first two enemy i target.
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2008, 12:05:59 PM »
I am by no means good in a yak but I do fly them on occasion. My only real issue with the plane is that i think that its acceleration is like watching water boil. Once it does reach top speed it really moves though. Also, I have never seen a noob in the plane that isn't dead in a few seconds. The yak is one of the MA planes that I truly fear, since the guy behind the stick probably knows what he's doing.
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Re: Why is the Yak-9U so underestimated?
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2008, 05:34:02 PM »
I am by no means good in a yak but I do fly them on occasion. My only real issue with the plane is that i think that its acceleration is like watching water boil.

Yes and the Yak T is on low heat. The T you really have to concentrate on maintaining air speed, why I use rolls and vertical so much and limit hard turns as much as possible especially in a defensive situation. Rewarding though to gain energy state over a high powered fighter simply because you've conserved yours by flying ahead.


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