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Offline Dos Equis

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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2008, 09:25:21 AM »

They have always been active in the craphole large cities with "the projects"  but people won't move to the city and everyone knows what the projects are and what life in them is like.   imagine whole tracts of project homes in the suburbs.

lazs

In Chicago, Cabrini Green was replaced with nice upscale condos on Division street. The city permits require forced integration. Condos were selling for $250k or so, but then the city would subsidize a low income family to live in the next unit over. This has been a huge success, and has been huge in wiping out crime and vandalism on the near west side.

As this thread shouldn't be closed, I won't target what you think of Habitat for Humanity, as we know that was Carter's baliwick, and well.. we get what you think.

Again, home valuations were speculation, and Fangio speculated what happens if the $58B is not enough to remove the default securities.

I feel, as do others, that the Fed will keep injecting money in. We will start to see signs of hyperinflation. That's why we are seeing all the world markets crash out this week - the dollar is going to get replaced as a global currency. The World Bank finances world debt in dollars. I think we are going to see that change.

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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2008, 10:58:26 AM »

I can take a crack at it... 
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the fed is responsible for the monetary environment that allowed inflation to be used as a core investment vehicle for capital... so new laws for wall street won't solve the root cause... old laws governing the federal reserve would tho.

instead of socializing wall street they should nationalize the fed.




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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2008, 11:02:37 AM »
....or abolish the Fed
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2008, 11:15:51 AM »
In Chicago, Cabrini Green was replaced with nice upscale condos on Division street. The city permits require forced integration. Condos were selling for $250k or so, but then the city would subsidize a low income family to live in the next unit over. This has been a huge success, and has been huge in wiping out crime and vandalism on the near west side.

Odds are that the crime has relocated, not been wiped out.

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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2008, 11:22:23 AM »
FYI - Fang was quite a good Ferrari driver in GPL.


WOW!   Someone has a pretty long memory!

Actually,  I used to be a pretty good Ferrari driver in real life.  That is until I sold my baby earlier this year.  It was the smart thing to do and all....  but I miss that dang car every single day.   :(              Maybe if the economy does dump for a couple of years I will get the opportunity to buy her back at a more realistic price.


As to the real estate thing,  I have bought 7 houses in the past 6 months and have contracts on 2 more.  Its a ton of work finding the gems among all the garbage and then managing the rehab projects but ending up with $50K in a nice 3 bedroom, 2 bath home located 5 minutes to downtown Atlanta and rented for $900 a month just HAS to work out longer term.  I hope.  Some of these houses I plan to keep long term, some I am going to sell to other investors who agree on the opportunity but have no time nor desire to do all the leg work.

The Fed announced today that it will be buying up commercial paper included non-asset backed.  This is going to be yet another $500 Billion + Fed program.  Ouch....  monetary supply is SOARING.

But...  we still do not know if all of this Fed liquidity is going to make it into the hands of actual consumers. The Fed has already pumped over $1 Trillion into the system and it has done NOTHING to expand credit availability (the exact opposite has happened). Banks have simply used the Fed funds to offset massive asset value degradation in order to maintain solvency ratios, they have not been lending it out to Joe consumer.  Unless this changes and banks DO open up the spigots then I do not see how the Fed will manage to push the liquidity into the hands of consumers and thus promote spending and upward price movement.  Typically, a huge increase in monetary supply would drive inflation at the consumer price level. But not if the Fed cannot get the cash into the hands of the consumer.

Every way I look at this it always boils back down to one simple reality:   Housing prices are too high.  

Until housing prices get back in line with incomes and we see a bottom clearly defined in housing and inventories get cut in half or better...   there will be no recovery regardless of what the Fed does or whatever bailout plan Washington decides to push next.

In many markets, housing is already there.  In the largest and worst hit markets (Kalifornia, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, the northeast, DC area, Seattle area.... yes, Seattle... that RE bubble is just now starting to pop and has a long way to go) there is a long way to go before the median house price is back in line with the median income.




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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2008, 11:45:32 AM »


Every way I look at this it always boils back down to one simple reality:   Housing prices are too high. 

Until housing prices get back in line with incomes and we see a bottom clearly defined in housing and inventories get cut in half or better...   there will be no recovery regardless of what the Fed does or whatever bailout plan Washington decides to push next.


Exactly!

I just don't understand why people think that we need to do SOMETHING to keep things where they are now. 

Where they are now is not where they should be and things need to be allowed to correct.

Fang, your posts are easy to follow and you seem to have a firm grasp on what's going on (instead of just regurgitating what the theme of the day is as dictated by the MSM)....thanks for your insight. :aok

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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2008, 08:03:49 AM »
Oh.. I see dos equality.. they are no longer projects but simply a forced introduction of scum for a certain percent.. the idea being that the people who are actually working and responsible will so outnumber the scum that it will take to much effort for the scum to blight it.

sorry.. we in kalifonia are ahead of you..  we have been trying that for decades..  it takes some time but the scum will win.    all of a sudden the neighborhood starts to look a little shabby.. crime goes up.. older people move or die out and no one wants to buy sooo.. the government uses the neighborhood to dump their section 8 people in...

pretty soon.. it is rap music and people sitting out on their unmowed lawns and cars all day long buying whatever is illegal from the "low income" residents.   values drop even more...

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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2008, 11:52:22 AM »
Oh.. I see dos equality.. they are no longer projects but simply a forced introduction of scum for a certain percent.. the idea being that the people who are actually working and responsible will so outnumber the scum that it will take to much effort for the scum to blight it.

sorry.. we in kalifonia are ahead of you..  we have been trying that for decades..  it takes some time but the scum will win.    all of a sudden the neighborhood starts to look a little shabby.. crime goes up.. older people move or die out and no one wants to buy sooo.. the government uses the neighborhood to dump their section 8 people in...

pretty soon.. it is rap music and people sitting out on their unmowed lawns and cars all day long buying whatever is illegal from the "low income" residents.   values drop even more...

lazs

Damn lazs, try and take a chill pill. All that hate is burning you up.

Not all disadvantaged people are black. The ones that are black are not automatically scum.

Here is the full story:
http://www.goodmagazine.com/section/Features/two_tales_of_one_city

Former Cabrini-Green residents get something called a Section 8 voucher. The ones that apply for Federal housing amongst the high priced condos go through extensive credit and criminal checks.


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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2008, 02:05:06 PM »
dos equality...  I never once mentioned negros.    I also realize exactly what section 8 is.   You are saying nothing to disprove what I have said.

The more "low income" people you move into an area the more the property values drop and the more crime.  Again.. it is simply more of you socialist crap that got us in this mess to begin with.   Not everyone deserves a home in the same area as people who have earned the right.

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Re: gotta love wall street
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2008, 03:11:27 PM »
The more "low income" people you move into an area the more the property values drop and the more crime.  Again.. it is simply more of you socialist crap that got us in this mess to begin with.   Not everyone deserves a home in the same area as people who have earned the right.
lazs

If your hypothesis is correct, then crime rates would directly correlate against median income, on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis.

You think that's true?