22lr

[opposum]

I cant beleive what i just did................. 

i was shooting at 227yards at this old alarm box that we threw out in the trash.....

first i was shooting at it with the .17 with a 10x50 scope in the prone,
i was making a good 1inch  group around the target on the box with it
(i was shooting at the lock on the box, which is about the size of a quarter)



then i thought what the heck, lets try the 22Lr.   so i went and got the 22 from the house and i was in a hurry so i loaded one round into it, i fired standing up.......

 and OMFG i hit the lock dead center 227 yards standing up with iron sights first shot
yes i said iron sights

talk about luck
_{or mabe its because im from southern Mississippi.}   

what do yall think?

[Latrobe]

I wonder if you were trained by Simo Häyhä himself? 

[AquaShrimp]

.17 air rifle or firearm?

[Hangtime]

at 227 yards with a 22lr the amount of high hold would make the shot virtually impossible.

I think yer as full of crap as a mississippi thanksgiving turkey.


                                .22lr cal bullet
                       (Calculated using Ingalls' table)
      Bullet Weight .........  40 grains   Bullet Caliber ........ 0.224
      Sectional Density ..... 0.114        Coefficient of Form ... 0.791
      Effective Bal. Coeff... 0.144        Bal. Coeff. at STP .... 0.144
      Cross wind ............ 10.0 m.p.h.  Altitude .............. 0    Ft.
      Atmospheric pressure .. 30.00 in.    Temperature ........... 60.0 F

    Range  Velocity  Energy   Momentum  Mx. Ord. Defl.    Drop    Lead   Time
    yards   f.p.s.      ft-lb.      lb.-sec.          in.     in.       in.     in/mph  sec.
       0     1000      88.8        0.1776          0.0     0.0      0.0     0.0    0.000
     239      771      52.8       0.1370          32.8   18.8    120.3   14.5   0.824
     478      611      33.1       0.1085         169.2   76.9    577.2   32.9  1.871
     717      484      20.8       0.0860         493.9  183.3  1568.1   56.2   3.192
     956      383      13.1       0.0681        1146.7  350.7  3402.4   85.5   4.860
    1195      304       8.2        0.0540        2370.1 595.1  6563.6  122.6   6.966



   

[Dago]

Chuck Norris could do it.

[FrodeMk3]

I wonder if you were trained by Simo Häyhä himself? 

That's funny. I was just reading a story about him in the Nov. issue of Guns & Ammo. Really interesting story there. They titled it, "History's greatest sniper."

[Mr No Name]

C'mon anybody can have a luck/skill combo and hit that... Besides, he is from the south... we get our first shootin' lessons down here shortly after we are weened.

[Latrobe]

That's funny. I was just reading a story about him in the Nov. issue of Guns & Ammo. Really interesting story there. They titled it, "History's greatest sniper."

He really is. got over 500 kills in about 100 days of service with a M38 (modified Mosin-Nagant), and with Iron sights too! Thats rounds off to 5 kills a day! Amazing how Vassil Z. (I will not even attmpt at spelling his last name) is more famous than him, yet had fewer kills.

[Hangtime]

Simo Häyhä was called into action during the Winter War with his service under the 6th Company of JR 34 on the Kollaa River.  The Finnish stand at Kollaa is often referred to as "The miracle of Kollaa,"  as the Finnish action here was most heroic.   The Finnish forces in the region were under the command of Major General Uiluo Tuompo and they faced the 9th and 14th Soviet Armies.  At one point the Finns at Kollaa were facing 12 divisions, some 160,000 men.  The Red Army losses in this arena were staggering as the brave Finns took their toll on the communist invaders.  There have been those that called the Finnish defense of this key region "fanatical", and it was in the Kollaa area were the famous battle of "Killer Hill"  took place with 32 Finns battling 4,000 Soviet soldiers.   These were the hunting grounds of Simo Häyhä and it should be noted that even against massive odds the Kollaa positions were still in Finnish hands at the end of the war (March 1940).


Many remember Simo Häyhä only as using the Mosin Nagant M28 or M28/30 rifle with open sights and only credit his high kill total to his role as a sniper; however, this is not entirely correct as Häyhä was also an expert with the Suomi K31 SMG and a large number of the Soviets that he felled were from his K31.



Mr. Häyhä was credited with over 500 kills in his service during the Winter War with his service cut short as he was wounded on 3-6-40 by a Soviet sniper.   Simo was shot in the face with what turned out to be an exploding bullet and he was taken out of action due to these wounds.  The total time that Simo Häyhä served in the Winter War was 100 days with about 500 kills credited to him. His record is truly remarkable and is long since remembered in the nation of Finland.

www.mosinnagant.net/finland/simohayha.asp

[opposum]

.17 air rifle or firearm?

firearm

[lazs2]

Here is one of the most useful ballistic calculators I have found..

http://www.handloads.com/calc/

I have done a lot of long range shooting (100-400 yards) with handguns from 22 to 44 mag..   I would hesitate to talk about some of the shots I have made and am pretty embarrased by some that I have missed.   You get lucky sometimes.   

Shooting at a round 4' diameter target with various guns at 400 yards will be enlightening... You can't  aim high enough with a 45 auto for instance.. even aiming at the clouds... 22.. pretty much the same..

I was hitting it easy with the 44 mag but my pet load would drop almost 20 feet at 400 yards with a zero of 50-75 yards (I like my handguns to shoot low 6)   this seems like it would be impossible to hit but..  you can see the bullet strike easily... holding on the top edge of the target while holding up almost all the front sight would result in 6 out of six hits..   this is like hitting a car of course but still...   

22 rifle??  If you live with the thing..  shoot it all the time... if you got enough front sight or you have learned to judge..  you should be able to hit things like 5 gal buckets at 200 yards pretty regularly..  I used to be able to do it with a 22 high standard pistol when I shot it every day or with a K38 masterpiece.

lazs

[Rich46yo]

Ive done a lot of shooting out to 600 yrds. I never shot much further cause I never had a long enough range. Generally, on perfect days, I wouldn't be happy with a 3 shot group unless they were within a dime at 100 yrds, within a quarter at 300, and within an outstretched hand at 600. Thats an example of the kinda things that can go wrong after 350 or 400 yrds even with HP rifles. A 22 LR example like the ones weve heard hear doesn't surprise me that much. The real trick is "repeatable accuracy" not first round luck.

And as long as I have the distance lazered and the wind doped perfectly, like on an actual shooting range, I have no problems hitting targets at extended ranges with custom made loads, featuring big for caliber boat tail spitzer bullets with a high SD that translates into a high BC. I believe in accurizing any rifle I buy to whittle down its accuracy potential. That means trigger work, floating/bedding the action/barrel...ect The rifle itself is capable of amazing accuracy out to very long ranges. One of the most remarkable out of the box system is the Browning A-Bolt with a 24" barrel and BOSS accurizing system in .338 mag or one of the .300 mags.

I have found the Sierra Gameking SPBT hunting bullets the most accurate bullets of any kind. Even more accurate then the HPBT match type.

[Hangtime]

Virtually every rifle I own can shoot better than I can. And I can shoot pretty well. I've seen quite a few riflemen that can shoot better than me and I've seen some pretty impressive shooting... but I've never seen anybody hit a quarter sized target with a .22 from a standing position at 220 yards... that's about 10' of drop... let alone the vagaries of wind eddies..

luck.. that's something else.

[Maverick]

I'm sure all the fish he catches are huge lunkers as well. Just ask him.
 

[opposum]

Virtually every rifle I own can shoot better than I can. And I can shoot pretty well. I've seen quite a few riflemen that can shoot better than me and I've seen some pretty impressive shooting... but I've never seen anybody hit a quarter sized target with a .22 from a standing position at 220 yards... that's about 10' of drop... let alone the vagaries of wind eddies..

luck.. that's something else.

baa
OK i admit i was aiming at the alarm box just to see if i could hit it standing up at 227 yards, turns out i just so happend to hit the lock on it which is the size of a quarter first shot. it was something to see