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Offline FrodeMk3

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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2008, 09:23:11 AM »
I used to love rooting for the Ford drivers, back when they ran the T-birds' and when the car and the engineering in it were as much a factor as the driver. Hell, the driver's were just as much, if not more of a factor then, because they had to make up for any deficiencies, or were able to utilize any advantages of their particular make. Now, it's like they are attempting to turn NASCAR into some kind of European or Japanese-style spec racing league. And it blows. It really killed the old 'Race on Sunday, sell on Monday' perspective for the manufacturers. Hell, I hope the big 3 drop their support for NASCAR. They got the Frances' to where they are now. Let the ungrateful SOB's in the head office figure out what to do then.  :mad:

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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2008, 10:36:34 AM »
Dodge is pulling factory support for the Craftsman Series. Only a matter of time before they do the same for Nationwide & Sprint. When Dodge drops, look for another foreign manufacturer to get in. I'd bet Honda.

I'm like you. I miss the old "stock" car days. But, would it be interesting or safe today?
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2008, 02:02:47 AM »
Well .. as has been said ..'there aint nothin stock about a stock car'

..still ..it would be cool if they made 'em from actual templates of the real cars.
Have the manufacturers do the 500 production runs of the 'Daytona' an such just to eke out a bit of an advantage for a year or so, like the old days.

That would get the makers back into it IMHO.

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« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2008, 10:19:03 AM »
I always thought the point of racing was machine and man, not just man.  If everyone is driving the same thing, is it really racing or who can draft the best?

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Exactly Fulmar. That's why they started the IROC series.

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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2008, 10:32:38 AM »
Exactly Fulmar. That's why they started the IROC series.
And who has won the most championships in this series. :noid
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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2008, 11:29:48 AM »
And who has won the most championships in this series. :noid

Mark Martin  with 5 Championships

Also, on Nascar.com there is info on an IROC liquidation sale. Everything must go. They're all done. :cry

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« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2008, 11:40:36 AM »
Well .. as has been said ..'there aint nothin stock about a stock car'

..still ..it would be cool if they made 'em from actual templates of the real cars.
Have the manufacturers do the 500 production runs of the 'Daytona' an such just to eke out a bit of an advantage for a year or so, like the old days.

That would get the makers back into it IMHO.

-GE aka Frank (they got the cage tech up to snuff now, they'd be safer than the old days for sure :)

I remember that. It used to be another part of the racing game I enjoyed, because those cars actually looked like stock cars, minus the stickers and funky paint jobs. A 1992 Ford T-bird had to be the same size and shape as the one in the showroom, and the same applied to the Monte's and Lumina's. Today? Blah, and blah again. They've made it so the manufacturers' don't have to worry about designing decent car aerodynamics themselves, The league more or less runs one template for every car now. A 2007 Charger cup car looks' nothing like my charger parked out in the driveway, Neither the front end shape, roofline, nothing. Fictional Jap-anime cars, all they are.

As far as the safety goes though, GE, I believe that they've been fairly safe for quite some time. In the '80's it wasn't uncommon to see 190-200 mph. crashes in which the driver got out and waved to the crowd. Bobby Allison's big crash, the one where he tore out 200 feet of the fence between the spectators' and the track, did leave him with a couple of broken bones, but that was one of the worst wrecks ever. It didn't kill him, though. Dale Earnhardt Sr's. fatal crash wasn't that hard at all. I've heard that there were several other causes of his death in that, but that the car should have kept him alive. I don't believe the older cars were any less safe than this COT abomination, in any event.

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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2008, 11:50:40 AM »
When I talked safety I was talking about running a "stock" 2008 car. Get one of those up to 200 and blow a tire.

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« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2008, 02:38:12 PM »
When I talked safety I was talking about running a "stock" 2008 car. Get one of those up to 200 and blow a tire.

No thanks!

Whoa, you're talking about the '50's and '60's there, RPM. Those cars actually came off the assembly line before they got a rollbar and a tuning job. Back when they ran on the sand at Daytona beach...

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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2008, 04:16:36 PM »
IRL is even worse than NASCAR. It's problems with moving the goal posts started far earlier.

Can't hang with a turbine car? Restrict turbine size.
Still can't beat the turbine? Ban them completely.
Didn't think to try a side-by-side arrangement for better handling AND safety? Gotta ban that.
Weren't smart enough to install suction fans to corner harder? Ban those too.

I wish real racing hadn't died before I was old enough to enjoy it :(

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« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2008, 02:05:32 AM »
Dale Sr's crash was fatal due to head restraint.. he dint have enough and it snapped his neck.

As far as I know.

(saw the in car video)

Would be a blast to see a 'Nascar Challenger' limited production edition, along with Ford an Chebbie's nascar runners :)

(altho since based on sedans..would prolly be the Magnum an such)

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« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2008, 08:44:01 AM »
He refused to use the available head restraints. They were pretty ungainly at the time, and he wasn't the only driver to die this way, just the most famous. There were 2 others that died in very similar circumstances. It wasn't until somebody famous died that the neck restraints became mandatory items. Since then, much more ergonomic versions have come out.

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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2008, 08:53:43 AM »
Didn't R Petty's grandson and another up and coming driver die of similar injuries after Dale Sr?

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« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2008, 11:45:23 AM »
Didn't R Petty's grandson and another up and coming driver die of similar injuries after Dale Sr?

Yes it was the same year not long after Dale. It happened at either Dover or New Hampshire in a practice session.

Grayeagle where did you see that video?

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« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2008, 12:06:33 PM »
Yes it was the same year not long after Dale. It happened at either Dover or New Hampshire in a practice session.

Grayeagle where did you see that video?
  That was New Hampshire.Throttle stuck in a pratice and he plowed the wall.
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