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3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« on: October 08, 2008, 10:13:04 AM »
I was reading the army times webpage and came across this article..

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/0...eland_090708w/

Is there something they know that we don't??

Another link to a forum discussing the above article.  A lot of interesting comments.

http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1568518




in case you don't want to click the link..

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”





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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2008, 10:21:24 AM »
No more different than the National Guard being deployed in emergency situations at home
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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 03:21:17 PM »
Keep telling yourself everything will be fine.

It seems to me that it is illegal for federal troops to operate on U.S. soil. Oh well we don't use that old rag The Constitution any more.

It seems the powers that be don't want to take any chances that the people will get upset and take their power away.


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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 03:36:05 PM »
Keep telling yourself everything will be fine.

It seems to me that it is illegal for federal troops to operate on U.S. soil. Oh well we don't use that old rag The Constitution any more.

It seems the powers that be don't want to take any chances that the people will get upset and take their power away.


Its not illegal for them to operate on U.S. soil (what a crock!) but it would be illegal if Congress tried to billet them in your home.
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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2008, 04:50:53 PM »
I'm currently in 3rd I.D. and what kick in the nuts, while I'm at home after being deployed for 14 months in Iraq I have to be ready at the drop of a hat to run off and play national gaurdsman... so much for trying to re-connect with family and freinds! And before you know it I'll be packing my bags for trashganistan!

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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 04:56:13 PM »
Well if theres ever a massive Chem/Bio attack all the Police Officers will be dead and your going to need somebody trained to be effective in a CBW environment. I havnt seen a chem/bio suit since I left the military.
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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 06:49:24 PM »
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Is there something they know that we don't??

Maybe in about 27 days or so.
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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 07:07:13 PM »
Federal i.e. regular troops should NOT operate on American soil.  That is the reason for the National Guard.  Regular army troops used in this way just increases my fears of a future police state status in this country.  I get bad vibes from this.  Of course, if they are going to do this, could they at least station them on our Southern Border with Mexico??!! :furious
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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 07:12:56 PM »
While its not in any way illegal for the US to deploy "active duty" troops at home in a security role as mentioned its never been done and is unusual. what is significantly more alarming in my mind is the fact that use of combat troops at home has been very widely and informally discussed in the Corps going back almost 2 decades. multiple  articles appeared in the Marine Gazette in 1994 alone outlining the belief that the next major war the Marines fought would be on US soil. This prospect and the disconnect between much of the military and the population at large is fundamental to the classic study "The Soldier and the State" by Samuel Huntington among other works.

The average tenure of an active duty soldier is now over 7 years, without any question many (especially Marines) have a very strong loyalty to the Corps and social order. The decision by some liberal universities to ban ROTC (along with many other variables) has further eroded any commonality between active duty military personnel and many of the people they "protect". 75%+ of active duty officers and possibly a greater % of enlisted personnel view the armed forces as being closer to the spirit and intent of the constitution and our founding fathers then either local or national civil government. For anyone not familiar with the mindset of a serving Marine it might be worth googling or picking up a novel by Gene Duncan.

What few people realize is that the Marine Officer swears an oath to defend the constitution above else against "all enemies foreign and domestic"...

I (state your name) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God .

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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 09:41:55 PM »
Good post Snap!!!!

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U.S. is IMHO definatley feeling some changing winds blowing....I'd keep an eye on this issue.
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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 09:50:51 PM »


I (state your name) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God .

Obviously the Dept of homeland security hasnt gotten around to editing that yet. LOL

Hmmm.
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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2008, 10:09:26 PM »
My bad. Posse Comitatus isn't an amendment to the constitution. It's just a federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385).
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 10:22:18 PM »
  I think this will help explain .

HR5122 also known as the John Warner Defense Authorization Act was signed by the president on Oct 17, 2006 John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Section 1076 Text of Hr5122 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies". Removing the legalese from the text, and combining multiple sentences, it provides that: The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any state of the United States the president determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. The actual text is on page 322-323 of the legislation. As of 2008, these changes were repealed, changing the text of the law back to the original 1878 wording, under Public Law 110-181 (H.R. 4986, Section 1068,) however in signing H.R. 4986 into law President Bush attached a signing statement which indicated that the Executive Branch did not feel bound by the changes enacted by the repeal.

seems like they can do anything they want in a "emergency". I like the last line   :O
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 10:35:30 PM »
What may be hard to understand is that it is entirely possible (although highly unlikely) that a scenario might arise where the Corps (and US armed services as a whole) could take a stance against a duly elected civil government in the event of a constitutional crisis. On two separate occasions in the last 15 years the chairman of the joint chiefs has spoken out clearly against specific US policy. If we study history we can see numerous examples of a professional army looking to its own leadership for guidance in times of political unrest. The interrelationship between state and federal government is legally convoluted since the nations founders were deeply divided over states rights in relation to the powers of the federal government. As predicted the federal government has constantly eroded the rights of the individual states...however each states national guard stands in effect as its own militia. (BTW the Texas national guard is the 5th largest standing army in the world). Once federalized a national guard unit is not supposed to be deployed domestically in active service.

However this is a direct conflict with both the oath of office for both the President...

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

And the Military. The issue of deploying troops domestically is in possible response to a break down of order or period of unrest or attack that would trigger the following..preserve, protect, and defend.

The real issue would occur when/if the military has a wide spread belief that the threat actually comes from the President of civil government.

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Re: 3rd inf division to assist with "homeland" security
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2008, 10:38:46 PM »
Maybe in about 27 days or so.

i bet no one gets that one :rofl
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