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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« on: October 15, 2008, 09:48:54 AM »
Rather than resurrect a thread from back in August I thought I'd just start a new one.  Someone was looking for information on wether the B-25's ever loaded anything other than HE on the 75mm cannon.  I just picked up a copy of "B-25 Mitchell Units of the MTO" from Osprey.  While I don't expect this anecdotal evidence to change anything I thought I'd post it for those who may be interested.

"[Talking about the B-25G] I was in an attack at sea, but against Panzers it was rare that we got off two rounds.  But one round usually did the trick, with pieces of the tank flying high into the air.  When the shaped-charge shells like those 75mm brutes we used hit a tank, it blew it up from the inside out."

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"Those 75mm  cannon rounds were 26 inches long and weighed some 20lbs each.  Just above the cannon breech was a rack that held 20 rounds.  We carried mostly high explosive warhead rounds, with a few armor piercing shells thrown in for good measure just in case we me one or more of the dreaded German destroyers prevalent in the area."

"The cannon was a standard M4, with a specially constructed spring to absorb some of its recoil shock."
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 11:47:44 AM »
Interesting indeed.  AP rounds in that gun would make minced meat out of GVs for certain.  I want it!   :pray

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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 07:54:39 PM »
Thanks for posting that, I think I might have been the one to post that original question, but I can't remember now  ;)

Anyway, it would be really nice to get those AP shells in-game.

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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 08:02:10 PM »
Interesting indeed.  AP rounds in that gun would make minced meat out of GVs for certain.  I want it!   :pray

The B-25' 75mm does already make minced meat out of every GV in game...
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 08:05:13 PM »
Sounds great, the Il2 has a new set of fangs so we might as well give the B25 a new set of choppers too.
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 08:43:53 PM »
The B-25' 75mm does already make minced meat out of every GV in game...

While it's entirely possible that I"m just a horrible shot, I can dispatch Panzers and M4's with the B-25 if I hit them in the back, I have trouble knocking out T-34's and Tigers.  How would one approach one of those tanks?  Most my shells seem to bounce off, even from the rear.
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 08:55:16 PM »
While it's entirely possible that I"m just a horrible shot, I can dispatch Panzers and M4's with the B-25 if I hit them in the back, I have trouble knocking out T-34's and Tigers.  How would one approach one of those tanks?  Most my shells seem to bounce off, even from the rear.

T-34s, from the side between the bogie wheels / into the driver compartment.

Tigers, from the top.  See Bronk do it . . .

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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 08:55:56 PM »
tigers often bounce but when they stick they only can smoke a tiger they cant kill it i almost did it once a tank had to come in and kill it but i got the kill as a was aproaching to land and t34 all my rounds bounce i have aproached by all angles
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 08:58:19 PM »
tigers often bounce but when they stick they only can smoke a tiger they cant kill it
Incorrect. See my previous post.
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2008, 09:01:32 PM »
tigers often bounce but when they stick they only can smoke a tiger they cant kill it i almost did it once a tank had to come in and kill it but i got the kill as a was aproaching to land and t34 all my rounds bounce i have aproached by all angles
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2008, 09:07:44 PM »
i have a film somewhere on my computer where 3 b 25 shot at a tiger we tracked it once and then it got patched up and then we couldnt even touch it after it so tanks took it out our field ak was also shooting at them i only started recording after about 15 shots already on him
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2008, 09:14:54 PM »
i have a film somewhere on my computer where 3 b 25 shot at a tiger we tracked it once and then it got patched up and then we couldnt even touch it after it so tanks took it out our field ak was also shooting at them i only started recording after about 15 shots already on him
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Tigers, from the top.  See Bronk do it . . .

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Re: Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 05:05:10 AM »
"[Talking about the B-25G] I was in an attack at sea, but against Panzers it was rare that we got off two rounds.  But one round usually did the trick, with pieces of the tank flying high into the air.  When the shaped-charge shells like those 75mm brutes we used hit a tank, it blew it up from the inside out."

and

"Those 75mm  cannon rounds were 26 inches long and weighed some 20lbs each.  Just above the cannon breech was a rack that held 20 rounds.  We carried mostly high explosive warhead rounds, with a few armor piercing shells thrown in for good measure just in case we me one or more of the dreaded German destroyers prevalent in the area."
Does the book mention which tanks those were, more specificaly?

The tiger dies to 25H cannon shells very easily, the difficulty is getting the hang of maneuvering and timing an accurate shot as near vertical as possible.  I've never seen someone post results of tests on whether airspeed is a meaningful factor in lethality or not.
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Re: B-25H and the use of AP ammo
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2008, 06:01:33 AM »
Would love it if HTC would give us a loadout option to include up to but no more than 5 AP rounds for the big gun.

Personally I've been having a blast with the iL2 and the new 37mm guns.