Gunsight size differences

[Spades]

There ate certain uniformities in this game, such as instruments, and I regard the gunsight as one of these.

How come that there is so much size difference with each type, both in wide view and full zoom? This can be a substancial advantage or disadvantage.

Now before someone mentions diff a/c, different sights (although I mentioned certain items are generic), then why is there such a difference between a Bf109 with REVI 16 and Fw190 with REVI 16?? The difference between the REVI 12 and 16 in the 109 is also substancial (F-4/G-2 vs G-6/G-10).

I tested both custom and default sights, and between types.

Just test it for yourself, the differences are substantial.

A G-6/10 sight at full zoom is about half the size of the same sight in a Fw190 or P-51.

I consider this to be a serious problem in design.


------------------
Ruy "Spades" Horta

12 O'clock High!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/

[funked]

If it's too "small", just move the pilot closer.

[Spades]

Funked, suggest you move your head closer to the screen and reread the post  

I clearly mention the fact that there is a substantial difference in FULL zoom, up to 100%.



------------------
Ruy "Spades" Horta

12 O'clock High!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/

[funked]

I don't follow you.  Regardless of zoom factor, the gunsight's apparent size is still dependent on how close the pilot's head is.  Zoom and head position are not the same thing.

If it looks too small, move closer.

What am I missing here?

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 01-30-2000).]

[Spades]

Even so, with this other method and/or additional step the difference is 80%, why?

Just try it

Compare the G-6 with the P-51
Move full forward, then full zoom.



------------------
Ruy "Spades" Horta

12 O'clock High!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/

[Azrael]

Or compare the B-26 top/tail gunsight with any fighter sight - both are way too large.

Az

------------------
Azrael

Erprobungsgruppe 177

[Spades]

Ofcourse not only is the size a problem, but also the SCALE.

IMHO this needs fixing in a game where aircombat is the main objective...



------------------
Ruy "Spades" Horta

12 O'clock High!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/

[juzz]

I would like to have an adjustable ranging gunsight, like the one in Mig Alley. Also "gyro" gunsights for those planes that had them.

Dot commands:
.span xx.xx - wingspan of target in feet.
Or, .span xxxx - 3/4 letter icon code for plane type, eg: 109, N1K, SPIT etc.
.range xxxx - range in yards.
.gunscale xxx.xxx - percent scaling of gunsight graphic(for calibration).

And have four key commands(span +/-, range +/-) available to adjust the wingspan and range, so you can adjust the gunsight without using the dot commands if need be.

Of course the range figure on the icons would have to be removed for this to be of any real use.

[Maniac]

Funked,

Your theory dont work mate, if you have to move yor head closer then you loose sight of all the important gauges,(spelling?) speed etc.

In my oppinion i think all the planes should have equal sizes of the gunsight.

// -nr-1-

[Lephturn]

Check out the F4U-1C's gunsight.  It's not only tiny... it's squished.  The size I can deal with, but having it squished makes it difficulty to shoot with.

------------------
Lephturn
The Flying Pigs

[214CaveJ]

the -1Ds is the same way leph, and I think either nate or pyro said it was because the glass plate is angled, hence the squished effect.

On the B26 I had to make a modification to my gunsight because they are so large.  I use the same sight in both the B26 and B17, but the ones for the 26 I added an extra, smaller firing diamond to the center (inside the first one when I made the sight for the 17)

[funked]

Maniac, you are cracking me up!

Did it ever occur to you guys the distance between the pilot and the gunsight was different from plane to plane?

Or that the size of the instrument panel was different relative to the size of the gunsight?

Show me some cockpit photos that indicate the size of the gunsights is off.  Until then PHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTT!


 



[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-01-2000).]

[Spades]

Funked

A.

Compare the Fw190A-8 and Bf109G-10, both use the same Revi 16 sight (FACT), and the distance of pilot to sight is approximately the same, but even if it weren't you can see that the scale is different (roughly 1/2).

This is when we adopt your - unique per SIGHT and cockpit approach - and this has then been rebuked.

B.

AH has custom gunsights, and we expect that a custom gunstight to has the same SCALE on each a/c, be that N1K2, P-51D or Bf 109 G-10 (within the limits of the sight).

What does that mean?

If an P-51 wingspan fills the entire sight at 100 yards (hypothetical numbers), it does so on each of the a/c, not ONLY on a P-51, but also at 100 yards for a G-10, not 50 yards

TARGET to SIGHT scale should be constant regardless of cockpit size, or is this concept to hard to grasp?

The purpose of a sight is to calculate distance to target and lead required, this can't be done efficiently if SCALE is as variable as in AH.

I think this is a real problem, maybe I'm a nitpicker?

------------------
Ruy "Spades" Horta

12 O'clock High! http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/

[This message has been edited by Spades (edited 02-01-2000).]

[funked]

I think we are having a language barrier or else I just can't read.    

The GUNSIGHT (Revi) appears to be the same size between Me 109G and the Fw 190A.  But the CROSSHAIRS projected onto the gunsight glass are not the same size.  Is this what you mean?

If so I agree.  It's a nitpick, but there's no reason they should not be made the same.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-01-2000).]

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-01-2000).]

[Spades]

Funked, we are in agreement.

Yes you are correct, in RL we are discussing the crosshairs, but to defence the fact that in WB/AH this has become the de facto (gun)sight in our daily parlance (note the DIR. \SIGHTS).

I'm glad we are through the communications barrier. But I've been thinking about it and the whole scale factor has changed the issue from relatively minor to one that's more important.

Are there more important things, yes, but this is also something that needs fixing AND is probably not too big a chore.



------------------
Ruy "Spades" Horta

12 O'clock High!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/