Scoring System

[RTHolmes]

Amsoil's stats are a scam and I question the legitimacy of his missions

ive flown a few sorties with him - he ups a fighter, shoots down some planes, then lands. nothing dodgy there, he seems like a decent bloke and flys well. thats quite an accusation without evidence and I question your motives. oh hang on I just noticed whos ranked #2 ...

[BnZ]

How he obtained them is all important.

The idea about minimum time is valid, but it seems to me that if you can make X stats for 14 sorties, you can probably do whatever you've been doing indefinitely.

[Steve]

but it seems to me that if you can make X stats for 14 sorties, you can probably do whatever you've been doing indefinitely.

That's like saying a guy who pitches a no hitter can do it for a whole season.

[PFactorDave]

That's like saying a guy who pitches a no hitter can do it for a whole season.

I think that the point is, it's easy to pitch a no hitter every game if you know ahead of time that all of the batters are blind.  I could be wrong, but I believe that the accusation is that Amsoil is not only gaming the scoring system, but perhaps he is also doing something extra slimey, like vulching a shade or a friends.

[Bruv119]

ive flown a few sorties with him - he ups a fighter, shoots down some planes, then lands. nothing dodgy there, he seems like a decent bloke and flys well. thats quite an accusation without evidence and I question your motives. oh hang on I just noticed whos ranked #2 ...

Ams has been doing much work on his score.  He has been asking Shawk questions and I've helped him alot.  As far as I know he has been killing buffs and there is nothing criminal in that.   I disagree with penalising people who can't get to fly much.   US pilots have a distinct advantage in having a target rich environment. 

If you were to put me, kaz, ams on US prime time every run would be 10 kills or more without even trying.

I'll let him know he is pissing on your cornflakes by being number one fighter 

[grizz441]

First of all, how do you 'hunt buffs'... how do you only fly 14 missions a camp in fighter yet somehow always magically find buffs to kill.  PLUS, they never shoot you down?  Not even shoot your engine out once? His K/S is 6 and has only died 3 times so he is apparently never getting blasted by these buffs that he 'hunts'.  What happens if he takes off in fighter one mission and can't find any buffs?  I guess his stats are going to plummet, but that circumstance never happens of course because he always finds these magical unicorn buffs who have horrible gunnery.  I'm not buying it!!!   

ive flown a few sorties with him - he ups a fighter, shoots down some planes, then lands. nothing dodgy there, he seems like a decent bloke and flys well. thats quite an accusation without evidence and I question your motives. oh hang on I just noticed whos ranked #2 ...

Question my motives? Well you're probably right that I wouldn't care if I was ranked 2000.  I also wouldn't care if Steve was ranked ahead of me because his flight time is respectable therefore if he attains better stats then he was the better fighter that month.  Here's what I'm going to do next month...I'm going to only fly attack mode until I see perfect missions for fighter...then I'm going to radio in to my squaddies to see if there are dweeb bombers in the area.  I'll take up a CHog or a Temp and land 10 kills/mission.  I will look for these golden missions all campaign, switch sides if I have to to find them also.  Hopefully there will be 15 or so of them that present themselves in the campaign.  I will have the stupidest ratios ever and SOME people will think what I did was fair.  Lol...nah I won't do that but don't you see how cheap it is?  Ack Ack this is why you can't just duplicate success over and over again, these miracle opportunities(with magical unicorn buffs with dweeb gunnery) don't present themselves that often!!

[Bruv119]

if its not skyrock being the score police its somebody else.   

I'll carry out my own investigation into this matter but I will say in these cases sometimes the impossible IS possible however much you think you know about the game something or someone will be able to out do yourself.  Calling into question a persons integrity based on pure statistical information is a bit of a cheek if you don't mind me saying so.

[Lusche]

First of all, how do you 'hunt buffs'... how do you only fly 14 missions a camp in fighter yet somehow always magically find buffs to kill.  PLUS, they never shoot you down?  Not even shoot your engine out once? His K/S is 6 and has only died 3 times so he is apparently never getting blasted by these buffs that he 'hunts'.  What happens if he takes off in fighter one mission and can't find any buffs?  I guess his stats are going to plummet, but that circumstance never happens of course because he always finds these magical unicorn buffs who have horrible gunnery.  I'm not buying it!!!   

I don't know what his doing, but the thing you are describing is quite easy to accomplish.
If I wanted to do that, I would up in fighter mode only when being sure to find bombers. It's all about flying at the right time of day, in the right portion of the map ( buffs tend to follow some standard patterns - a big CV battle, a 5.k base one or two sectors away almost guarantee a steady stream of buffs) and of course watching the countrychannel for sightings. Maybe even take a 262 to get quickly to any identified buffs within several sectors. Mission planning

And a K/D of 6 against buff ain't that difficult to achieve at all. When properly setting up your attacks in a fast, heavily armed plane, it needs much more than an average buff gunner to stop you...

[Bruv119]

exactly lusche ,

I've had tours before see  97  when  the number 2 guy  gets  148 Lancaster kills!!!   I'm thinking to myself wow what a stroke of luck that guy gets.   I don't make threads calling the guy out for being a dweeb,   I just refined my hunting skills in a 262 to know how the Buff driver thinks. 

Reading the map like a book to achieve your ultimate Rank glory is part and parcel of being able to finish number one in any category.

[Lusche]

exactly lusche ,

I've had tours before see  97  when  the number 2 guy  gets  148 Lancaster kills!!! 

I have a lot of tours were I killed more than 100 Lancs & B-24s each. Buffs are almost always on top of my "kills of" list. Hunting buffs is my AH specialty

[Steve]

I think that the point is, it's easy to pitch a no hitter every game if you know ahead of time that all of the batters are blind.  I could be wrong, but I believe that the accusation is that Amsoil is not only gaming the scoring system, but perhaps he is also doing something extra slimey, like vulching a shade or a friends.

ahhh.  I'm not basing my position on that, nor am I accusing.... FWIW

[Steve]

If you were to put me, kaz, ams on US prime time every run would be 10 kills or more without even trying.

Uh-huh.

[Bruv119]

Sadly we haven't had the chance to get acquainted.

[grizz441]

And a K/D of 6 against buff ain't that difficult to achieve at all. When properly setting up your attacks in a fast, heavily armed plane, it needs much more than an average buff gunner to stop you...

Lusche, his K/S is 6, not K/D.  His K/D is actually like 22 or something ridiculous. 

I've had tours before see  97  when  the number 2 guy  gets  148 Lancaster kills!!!   I'm thinking to myself wow what a stroke of luck that guy gets.   I don't make threads calling the guy out for being a dweeb,   I just refined my hunting skills in a 262 to know how the Buff driver thinks. 

Reading the map like a book to achieve your ultimate Rank glory is part and parcel of being able to finish number one in any category.

First of all it's obvious you and Amsoil21 are best friends forever. 2nd i didn't make this thread to call him out.  I didn't call him out till page 8 as a matter of fact.  Never did I accuse him of cheating or vulching a 2nd account.  I said i question the legitimacy of his missions which is gaming the system.  The entire thread about scoring problems is dedicated to THIS EXACT manipulation of the system.  There should either be a) Weight on Points or b) Some sort of Min Missions Flown Formula. 

So here's my next stab at the scoring problem! READ UP

Minimum Missions Flown Formula would be as follows: You take your total rank# and divide it by variable Fm (Min Mission Factor) Fm will level off as your mission # goes up.
Fm will be a number that approaches 1 as your missions increase.  For example if you have only 10 missions flown, your Fm # will be like 0.5, If you have 30 missions flown your Fm # will be like 0.8 if you have 300 missions flown, your Fm will be 0.9987 or something.
The Fm curve would have to be opinionated at what HTC would deem "reasonable number of missions for a campaign" For example, 1 Mission a day would get you 30 missions, which would probably be good enough for like a 0.8 Fm or something.

Example 1: Amsoil21's Fighter Stats All Ranks Add up to 136.  Since he only has 14 missions flown, his Fm would be something like, 0.6 So you take 136/0.6 = 227 which would probably put him somewhere from ranked 8-15 in fighter.
Example 2: Take Steve's Fighter Stats All Ranks Add up to 180.  Since he has 137 missions flown, his Fm would be something like, 0.98 So you take 180/0.98 = 184 which would put him top 2 fighter.

Since you all hated my idea to increase the weights of points, what do you think of this idea?  This shouldn't penalize you for lack of flight time as long as you fly a very reasonable number of missions for a campaign.  It just really penalizes those who only fly in the range of 10-20 missions in a camp trying to score big

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