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Offline NHawk

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<S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« on: October 18, 2008, 03:21:06 AM »
I was impressed, you guys did it right. 30 to 40 GVs rolling in with supplies and troops in tow.  :salute

Unfortunately I was the only GV there to protect the town. And the alarms we were sending out went mostly unheard. But those that did show up in defense of the base did the best they could. And a <S> to them too.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2008, 03:25:04 AM by NHawk »
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 03:34:20 AM »
I was impressed, you guys did it right. 30 to 40 GVs rolling in too.

How is steamrolling a base with 40 guys in AH impressive?

I consider missions of 40 people like herds of wildebeests; in great numbers they can do some damage by the stampede. However, in smaller numbers a single predator can easily bring them down.

Don't give the Wildebeests any more attention, it encourages them.
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 03:56:19 AM »
How is steamrolling a base with 40 guys in AH impressive?

I consider missions of 40 people like herds of wildebeests; in great numbers they can do some damage by the stampede. However, in smaller numbers a single predator can easily bring them down.

Don't give the Wildebeests any more attention, it encourages them.
It's impressive because...

1) It's just about the only way that base could be taken. Or at least the most logical. We had the entire west coast so there was no other good way in.

2) The organization that took place was well thought out. To get that many people into GVs and have the sense to bring both troops and supplies on the mission took some planning.

Give them credit where credit is due.
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 08:02:01 AM »
getting 40 guys in 110's to grab a base is easy.

putting together a real GV mission is quite an accomplishment.  :confused:
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 08:16:23 AM »
How is steamrolling a base with 40 guys in AH impressive?

I consider missions of 40 people like herds of wildebeests; in great numbers they can do some damage by the stampede. However, in smaller numbers a single predator can easily bring them down.

Don't give the Wildebeests any more attention, it encourages them.

  It's sad that whenever players get organized and accomplish something,  somebody allways puts them down for it.   Don't worry Delirium my comment is not leveled at you,  I  see this type of comment everytime players get organized.  The Rooks received this style of critcism for their efforts on last Titanic Tuesday.  Today it's the Bishops turn to  hear it.  Every country gets this same comment when they organize.  My question is what is so wrong with players organizing to acheive a common goal?

  I never ever see my team (Rooks) organize any type of response to these mass raids.  Such as a mass fighter sweep? ...or an effort to kill nearby troop barracks? ....or maybe re-take the base that the enemy just took on their last big raid.  The Rooks response is to continue to furball loner,  and complain about how "lame" it all is.  Would'nt an organized fighter sweep be fun to counter these situtaions?  In fact in all the years I have played this game I can't say I have ever seen a "Fighter sweep' mission offered up?  I do know that certain squads will up as a group,  but I can't say I have seen Fighter sweep mission offered up.


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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2008, 09:05:15 AM »
Thanks N,that mission took some time to allow everything to come together..Had some squaddies do some Preliminary scouting.And I forget who it was,but someone was flying up there and had killed ords..

 In the case of that base,GV mission is the only way to take it..

MY  :salute goes out to those that join the missions,without them it would not be possible.. :salute
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2008, 09:59:53 AM »
You Bish wouldnt of gotten it if I had gotten my tigr to town.
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2008, 10:57:33 AM »
You Bish wouldnt of gotten it if I had gotten my tigr to town.

You say that now. :D

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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2008, 11:01:12 AM »
Off topic, sorry guys.. but, Falcon.. the Stuka in your avitar always reminds me of JJ the Jet Plane. (Yes, I have three young children.) :D
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2008, 11:19:39 AM »
Off topic, sorry guys.. but, Falcon.. the Stuka in your avitar always reminds me of JJ the Jet Plane. (Yes, I have three young children.) :D

 :rofl  That hadn't occurred to me, but now that you say it!  (I have a young daughter also.)

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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2008, 12:08:29 PM »
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2008, 02:08:23 PM »
That was a fun mission falcon. We had a good mix of tanks and anti aircraft support with supplies in tow. The only wrench in the plan was the backup troops going AWOL.
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2008, 02:19:12 PM »
LOL Stodd if.... Bet they would have killed you. Great Teamwork!!!! thats what the game is about!!!!
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2008, 02:46:12 PM »
I think it's more the wording.  I for one wouldn't be impressed if 40 gv's took a field.  Actually I'd be more impressed if they didn't take the field.  Imagine, it takes 40 guys now attacking at once to take a field...thats probably close to 1/2 the size of the country population.  

You won't see large fighter sweeps, because by and large, mission makers see that as a waste.  Why fly a fighter sweep, when you can gather a whole bunch of guys and attack a field where there will be no one there.

Personally I would like to AH have some form of system that would at least allow for some form of gameplay to be played out during the huge missions.  If you are rolling 30-40 of anything into a field at once, the team getting pounded on really shouldn't/and doesn't have any chance or hope of defending against that....unless the horde is just terrible at everything.  If AH is to be a combat game, and yet the system which governs the ideals of the game allows the opposite quite frequently, I think it may be time to revisit the mechanisms.  I don't see any meaningfull combat when the horde starts pounding bases.  It is on all teams, where the horde travels to where the other horde is not.

Here we have a combat game.  A game developed around the idea the players will be fighting head to head against other players.  In the last few times I've read the BB, the boasting has been about not fighting players at all, but swarming bases.  There are no good stories, no tests of skill, no test of strategy.  Just get a huge force, find empty fields, kill the buildings, drop troops.  I guess you get some pvp in there while swarming the 3-4 guys who upped, mabye kill the manned ack, vulch runway and camp vh and you've been in serious combat.

Honestly I think the system discourages people from fighting against the horde.  There is little time to gather defense, while the mission planners have plenty of time to assemble a force.  I would imagine many people, especially newer subcribers, simply don't want to get shot to heck by bad odds, and join the other attack to the enemy's lightly/undefended field.  It just domino's.

So, touting about hording a base and it's impressiveness, and how great the hording team, makes little sense to me.  Saying it was fun, is something else.  Though I'd find it boring, I guess you could enjoy it to an extent.  However, I don't see reason why it would be impressive, skillfull, or surprising that 30-40 guys would be able to take a base.  
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Re: <S> To Bishops that took 215 around 8~8:30et Last Night
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2008, 04:37:09 PM »
I'm not much of a hoarder and don't really like being hoarded either although I'll occasionally fly a goon or run an M3 with the hoard.  Just ask my fellow Bish... I'm usually not around.

What I see though is that many players of lesser skill truly enjoy the hoarding and base capture aspect of the game.  It gives them both a sense of protection/comfort and accomplishment.  I'm not saying all those involved in the hoards are skilless, but many are lesser skilled than average.  Keep that in mind at least as you bash the hoards.  Everyone has to start somewhere.

Further, I played late into the night last night, mostly fighting Knights in the north in the Orange arena.  The Knights put up a pretty good fight for a good long while but were finally overwhelmed when the Bish attacked the East coast, West coast, Center VB's and crossed the channel by CV and attacked the Knight homeland.  I don't think that was a planned multi-pronged action; it just turned out that way but the end result was that, by the end of the night as I logged off, the Knights had lost their entire foothold on Bishland except for two bases.  I bring it up because, in the sceme of things, that seems pretty consistant with real war; spread the enemy out and make them pay at critical front line bases.  While it may seem like attacking non or lightly defended bases to some, which in fact it was, it was due to the Knight being unable, or unwilling to allocate the resources needed to maintain such a large front.

While it's frustrating as a defender, I've always had at least a small amount of admiration for those who can pull this off.  I've seen, particularily the Rooks, do it against us on many occasions.

Again, I largely avoid the hoards from both sides of them.  Just thought I'd throw out a couple of thoughts/observations.

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