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Offline iTunes

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109 K4 engaging P51's
« on: October 18, 2008, 11:48:58 AM »
Quick question for the Mustang drivers here, I got tangled up with 3 P51's last night starting at around 8k then we all ended up on the deck, I got two of them then done a quick spiral as the other was getting angles on me.
The question I have is why do Mustang drivers take their aircraft down low when they should be staying up higher?
Given the disparity in performance between a K4 and a Mustang when accelerating, I'm just curious as to why they would try and do the old Turning and burning game on the deck when it should be obvoius that the K4 will be all over them if they try and extend from a slow speed?
Felt quite sorry for those guys last night, No ho's etc, just some good ol fashoined fun was had by all :)
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 12:25:06 PM »
What a question  :rofl :huh
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 12:26:41 PM »
just some good ol fashoined fun was had by all :)
You answered your own question right there.

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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 12:36:34 PM »
Same reason I sometimes drop flaps in a Dora and stall fight with Niki's. Really stupid thing to do, but Hell it's just a game. Besides, what a rush if you can actually pull it off!  :D
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 01:03:52 PM »
You answered your own question right there.

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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2008, 03:51:04 PM »
Actually, the P-51D does better on the deck vs the 109K-4 than at altitude, unless you're talking about altitudes in excess of 25-30k ft.
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2008, 04:58:28 PM »
51 needs space to stay fast, especially if in trouble. You don't get that on the deck.
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2008, 05:02:34 PM »
51 needs space to stay fast, especially if in trouble. You don't get that on the deck.

I'm talking about performance stats, which are publicly viewable at dokgonzo's site.
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2008, 05:05:48 PM »
Actually, the P-51D does better on the deck vs the 109K-4 than at altitude, unless you're talking about altitudes in excess of 25-30k ft.
guess what I was trying to say was that due to the differnce in acceleration between the two, why did the Mustangs get all slow and do the turning game on the deck? I'm just surprised that they dropped down, Was good fun though! Normally the Mustangs like to stay high and fast and play the energy game with you, was quite refreshing to be duelling them on the deck.
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2008, 05:13:38 PM »
Probably figured the numbers advantage would allow them to mix it up in a type of fight where they would normally be disadvantaged.  Although, I'll say that the P-51 with some flaps in is a heck of a lot more stable at high power/high alpha conditions than the K4.  Perhaps they figured you'd be quick to mate with a tree.
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2008, 10:00:52 PM »
It's fun to get low and slow where your not supposed to.  Like said before, it's a real rush! :aok
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2008, 10:12:19 PM »
Sounds like they werent experienced pony pilots.
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2008, 11:16:24 PM »
The P-51's worst altitude range against the 109K-4 is between 16k and 22k ft.  In fact, what I said earlier was inaccurate, in so far as at 30k ft the 109K-4 still has more excess power than the P-51D.  Best altitudes for the 51D seem to be 12k ft and "very low" against the K-4, e.g. <2k ft.
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2008, 02:40:13 AM »
That's misleading though. There's more to the fight than engine vs alt performance.

I'll be happy to fight any 51 in a k4 at 2k or less. At that point the 51 is out of options.
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Re: 109 K4 engaging P51's
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2008, 09:55:27 AM »
i think what happened was.. one of them went after the 109 down low.. and the other 2 were like.. ahhh.. its 9 to 1 here.. y not go down low n finish this off too..
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